Would you vote for Obama again?
I would, just because i wanna see this "Change" continue.
Look im not into politics or anything. But it is nice to see how far we'v come from Bush. (Both)
I mean were still at War, But "its better were over there kickn ass in there backyard, then them thinking about hoping the fince again and fighting us in ours". Quoted by my older brother In the US Army. Thinking like that, keeps me strong back home. So while there making the diffrence, its on us to make the change.
Idk, But i Pray and Hope that something big will come out of this. and im Anti' War, More like a Hippie id say. Keep the Change Going. Quoted by me
Dr. Haze
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Nonya on -
Honestly, I don't vote and even if I did the last election was just so bad, I couldn't pick.
We need a strong third party.
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Permalink Reply by a tie a on -
this. Democrats have good IDEAL policies, but hardly any of them actually fight. and Republican party right now is full of corporate hyporcites and liars with no real policies. we don't have a propoer 3rd party in this country (Green Party doesn't really count lol). no shots at the voters of each, just what it is in Washington
Andrew Nonya said:Honestly, I don't vote and even if I did the last election was just so bad, I couldn't pick.
We need a strong third party.
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Permalink Reply by Dukecityspecialist on -
Again you fail to read any of my other posts. The company I work for went from the biggest budget cut it its entire history as a company in my state to a 15% growth and mass hire within the last year. I am now revieving more money for what I do now also. My uncle was rehired recently after his company shut down and now it is back up and running. So aside from these funny news reports with graphs and statistics and fancy touchscreen displays that show the numbers of americas economy getting worse, I am simply going off of what I am witnessing every day in real life in front of my very eyes bruh. Where I'm at from what I'm expieriencing the economy isn't doing too bad at all. That's what I meant when I said the economy was bouncing back. My wife was given her hours back ,my uncle received his job and I got a raise amidst all these reports of a worsening economy
boogie sauce said:How has the economy not bouncing back helped you? Bruh
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Permalink Reply by Colin P. on -
thats good for you man. Im happy your life is on the rise. If only everyones could be that way.
Dukecityspecialist said:Again you fail to read any of my other posts. The company I work for went from the biggest budget cut it its entire history as a company in my state to a 15% growth and mass hire within the last year. I am now revieving more money for what I do now also. My uncle was rehired recently after his company shut down and now it is back up and running. So aside from these funny news reports with graphs and statistics and fancy touchscreen displays that show the numbers of americas economy getting worse, I am simply going off of what I am witnessing every day in real life in front of my very eyes bruh. Where I'm at from what I'm expieriencing the economy isn't doing too bad at all. That's what I meant when I said the economy was bouncing back. My wife was given her hours back ,my uncle received his job and I got a raise amidst all these reports of a worsening economy
boogie sauce said:How has the economy not bouncing back helped you? Bruh
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Permalink Reply by Colin P. on
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but if you do think we should regulate healthcare corporations, then where do we stop? What industry will be next? It will go on and on until this liberal administration is completely regulating everything we do, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. And THAT is Communism my friend.
a tie a said:1st paragraph
r u telling me Obama is trying to get rid of Congress and take their power? if so, ur insane, coz that's literally how i interpreted that. and if u think we shouldn't regulate healthcare corporations, then u clearly don't understand what's wrong with our healthcare system.
I agree, the mandate sucks. but at least the tax/fine w/e u call it isn't going to healthcare industries (if i'm wrong give me a link to a legit source).
I REALLY hope u were on Bush's ass for the Patriot Act that violated the Consitituion, because what u talked about is nothing compared to that. and really... idc about telling my healthcare info, financial info blah blah blah. i don't see how that's an issue. and can u give me some sources about it? sounds like an interesting read.
but i have one problem: you REALLY are telling me the LEFT hates the Constitution? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WING HAS NO RESPECT TO IT? They have NO religous tolerance on the stupid non-issue ground zero mosque, NO respect for privacy when Bush did the Patriot Act, that SHITS on that petty info we supposedly have to give (tho i hate Obama for repealing the Patriot Act. BUT i know if it didn't exist he wouldn't have brought anything like that up again). They are literally trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment. and you tell LIBERALS we don't care? IS THAT A JOKE? i can give you MULPTIPLE sources about Republicans not giving a shit about the Constitution. Challenge me and i will gladly do so.
i have 0 respect to people who give me this. i'm not saying all right winger are morons, but when people give me this kind of ignorant bs, i get incredibly pissed, because i actually follow politics, unlike you apparenlty. Obama isn't even a fucking left winger. he plays politics and gives in to the Republicans on every issue, inclduing this healthcare u hate so much.
Colin P. said:this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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Permalink Reply by DJD on -
idk man, obama took over presidency in a fukd up situation
i think anyone in his position would hav had just as rough of a time as him
however he has lied on many topics, and never did back out of afghanistan like he promised
i dont think that i will be voting for obama again. but if there's not someone who overwhelmingly is better i may vote obama agin. i definitely am not voting for ms.clinton tho, fuck that bitch. mr.clinton was fucking legit but hillary idk about
so fuk man wtf
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Permalink Reply by Mark on -
the other thing about the healthcare system is when the government says something isnt cost effective they dont have to cover it. once they are into it we the ppl wont even have a choice. what are u going to do then? just cuz all of america is going to have health care doesnt mean we wont have serious issues with it. how much of america dont have health care cuz they dont have jobs or dont try also? im refering to the ppl that just live off the government and they dont try. i am not talking to the ppl that have lost their jobs.
Colin P. said:but if you do think we should regulate healthcare corporations, then where do we stop? What industry will be next? It will go on and on until this liberal administration is completely regulating everything we do, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. And THAT is Communism my friend.
a tie a said:1st paragraph
r u telling me Obama is trying to get rid of Congress and take their power? if so, ur insane, coz that's literally how i interpreted that. and if u think we shouldn't regulate healthcare corporations, then u clearly don't understand what's wrong with our healthcare system.
I agree, the mandate sucks. but at least the tax/fine w/e u call it isn't going to healthcare industries (if i'm wrong give me a link to a legit source).
I REALLY hope u were on Bush's ass for the Patriot Act that violated the Consitituion, because what u talked about is nothing compared to that. and really... idc about telling my healthcare info, financial info blah blah blah. i don't see how that's an issue. and can u give me some sources about it? sounds like an interesting read.
but i have one problem: you REALLY are telling me the LEFT hates the Constitution? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WING HAS NO RESPECT TO IT? They have NO religous tolerance on the stupid non-issue ground zero mosque, NO respect for privacy when Bush did the Patriot Act, that SHITS on that petty info we supposedly have to give (tho i hate Obama for repealing the Patriot Act. BUT i know if it didn't exist he wouldn't have brought anything like that up again). They are literally trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment. and you tell LIBERALS we don't care? IS THAT A JOKE? i can give you MULPTIPLE sources about Republicans not giving a shit about the Constitution. Challenge me and i will gladly do so.
i have 0 respect to people who give me this. i'm not saying all right winger are morons, but when people give me this kind of ignorant bs, i get incredibly pissed, because i actually follow politics, unlike you apparenlty. Obama isn't even a fucking left winger. he plays politics and gives in to the Republicans on every issue, inclduing this healthcare u hate so much.
Colin P. said:this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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Permalink Reply by Colin P. on
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and I didn't mean that Obama was trying to get rid of Congress, but that he is attempting to bypass congress in order to pass his bills. If you bypass congress, then you are bypassing the voice of the American Citizens.
Here is a link to show you what i mean.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/30/obama-considering-immigrati...
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/memogate-obamas-amnesty-me...
a tie a said:1st paragraph
r u telling me Obama is trying to get rid of Congress and take their power? if so, ur insane, coz that's literally how i interpreted that. and if u think we shouldn't regulate healthcare corporations, then u clearly don't understand what's wrong with our healthcare system.
I agree, the mandate sucks. but at least the tax/fine w/e u call it isn't going to healthcare industries (if i'm wrong give me a link to a legit source).
I REALLY hope u were on Bush's ass for the Patriot Act that violated the Consitituion, because what u talked about is nothing compared to that. and really... idc about telling my healthcare info, financial info blah blah blah. i don't see how that's an issue. and can u give me some sources about it? sounds like an interesting read.
but i have one problem: you REALLY are telling me the LEFT hates the Constitution? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WING HAS NO RESPECT TO IT? They have NO religous tolerance on the stupid non-issue ground zero mosque, NO respect for privacy when Bush did the Patriot Act, that SHITS on that petty info we supposedly have to give (tho i hate Obama for repealing the Patriot Act. BUT i know if it didn't exist he wouldn't have brought anything like that up again). They are literally trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment. and you tell LIBERALS we don't care? IS THAT A JOKE? i can give you MULPTIPLE sources about Republicans not giving a shit about the Constitution. Challenge me and i will gladly do so.
i have 0 respect to people who give me this. i'm not saying all right winger are morons, but when people give me this kind of ignorant bs, i get incredibly pissed, because i actually follow politics, unlike you apparenlty. Obama isn't even a fucking left winger. he plays politics and gives in to the Republicans on every issue, inclduing this healthcare u hate so much.
Colin P. said:this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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Permalink Reply by a tie a on
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uhm... can u give me more sources for that immigration stuff. those articles were way to superficial... i didn't get much from those.
And this is the ONLY issue Obama tried getting around Congress, if he even did so on that occasion, everything else he shows extreme weakness against oppposition.
You don't want major corporations to be regulated? want the list of bs we've seen from failing to do so?
The bankers weren't regulated, we have an economic crash
BP wasn't regulated, we got an enormous oil spill
We don't regulate DOZENS of mining companies, miners DIE, and the companies cause 10s of billions of dollars in environmental damage
We don't regulate healthcare companies, they put w/e prices they want, deny whoever they want, and literally let patients die on the floors of their hospitals
You can't just let companies do what they want. Corporations look out for their own profit, and don't give a fuck about abusing the lower classed people if they can make/save money. Government should be the referees of the corporations, not to control them, but to make sure they aren't going out of line.
as for what Duke was saying, i get ur telling me u see improvements around you, but the economy IS weakening. Maybe some areas in the U.S are improving, but a lot of the country's economy needs to recover. I'm not saying it's an illusion, i'm sure there are places that are improving, but still much of the country isn't in their prime like it was before the last administration put it in the shitter
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Permalink Reply by a tie a on
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a lot of people can't find jobs because companies, both big and small, can't afford it.
and with healthcare, the gov't should run a healthcare company like Medicare for everyone for COMPETITION, a so-called American value. this would lower prices, and increase quality of coverage. just saying. not that relevant to what u said, but it'd be good to have. any1 who says it's communism is an idiot. straight up.
Mark said:the other thing about the healthcare system is when the government says something isnt cost effective they dont have to cover it. once they are into it we the ppl wont even have a choice. what are u going to do then? just cuz all of america is going to have health care doesnt mean we wont have serious issues with it. how much of america dont have health care cuz they dont have jobs or dont try also? im refering to the ppl that just live off the government and they dont try. i am not talking to the ppl that have lost their jobs.
Colin P. said:but if you do think we should regulate healthcare corporations, then where do we stop? What industry will be next? It will go on and on until this liberal administration is completely regulating everything we do, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. And THAT is Communism my friend.
a tie a said:1st paragraph
r u telling me Obama is trying to get rid of Congress and take their power? if so, ur insane, coz that's literally how i interpreted that. and if u think we shouldn't regulate healthcare corporations, then u clearly don't understand what's wrong with our healthcare system.
I agree, the mandate sucks. but at least the tax/fine w/e u call it isn't going to healthcare industries (if i'm wrong give me a link to a legit source).
I REALLY hope u were on Bush's ass for the Patriot Act that violated the Consitituion, because what u talked about is nothing compared to that. and really... idc about telling my healthcare info, financial info blah blah blah. i don't see how that's an issue. and can u give me some sources about it? sounds like an interesting read.
but i have one problem: you REALLY are telling me the LEFT hates the Constitution? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WING HAS NO RESPECT TO IT? They have NO religous tolerance on the stupid non-issue ground zero mosque, NO respect for privacy when Bush did the Patriot Act, that SHITS on that petty info we supposedly have to give (tho i hate Obama for repealing the Patriot Act. BUT i know if it didn't exist he wouldn't have brought anything like that up again). They are literally trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment. and you tell LIBERALS we don't care? IS THAT A JOKE? i can give you MULPTIPLE sources about Republicans not giving a shit about the Constitution. Challenge me and i will gladly do so.
i have 0 respect to people who give me this. i'm not saying all right winger are morons, but when people give me this kind of ignorant bs, i get incredibly pissed, because i actually follow politics, unlike you apparenlty. Obama isn't even a fucking left winger. he plays politics and gives in to the Republicans on every issue, inclduing this healthcare u hate so much.
Colin P. said:this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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Permalink Reply by Colin P. on
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even if what you said was correct, you are still advocating Communism. What is your response to that? This is still America, home of the free and land of opportunity. There are certain inalienable rights that we all have, but people in this generation perceive that to mean that they deserve to be given everything. This right of entitlement is what is destroying our youth and will prevent them from becoming adequate future leaders. I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you dont see the bigger picture here. You have a very micro point of view, when you should be thinking macro.
a tie a said:uhm... can u give me more sources for that immigration stuff. those articles were way to superficial... i didn't get much from those.
And this is the ONLY issue Obama tried getting around Congress, if he even did so on that occasion, everything else he shows extreme weakness against oppposition. You don't want major corporations to be regulated? want the list of bs we've seen from failing to do so?
The bankers weren't regulated, we have an economic crash
BP wasn't regulated, we got an enormous oil spill
We don't regulate DOZENS of mining companies, miners DIE, and the companies cause 10s of billions of dollars in environmental damage
We don't regulate healthcare companies, they put w/e prices they want, deny whoever they want, and literally let patients die on the floors of their hospitals
You can't just let companies do what they want. Corporations look out for their own profit, and don't give a fuck about abusing the lower classed people if they can make/save money. Government should be the referees of the corporations, not to control them, but to make sure they aren't going out of line.
as for what Duke was saying, i get ur telling me u see improvements around you, but the economy IS weakening. Maybe some areas in the U.S are improving, but a lot of the country's economy needs to recover. I'm not saying it's an illusion, i'm sure there are places that are improving, but still much of the country isn't in their prime like it was before the last administration put it in the shitter
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