Would you vote for Obama again?
I would, just because i wanna see this "Change" continue.
Look im not into politics or anything. But it is nice to see how far we'v come from Bush. (Both)
I mean were still at War, But "its better were over there kickn ass in there backyard, then them thinking about hoping the fince again and fighting us in ours". Quoted by my older brother In the US Army. Thinking like that, keeps me strong back home. So while there making the diffrence, its on us to make the change.
Idk, But i Pray and Hope that something big will come out of this. and im Anti' War, More like a Hippie id say. Keep the Change Going. Quoted by me
Dr. Haze
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Permalink Reply by boogie sauce on -
How has the economy not bouncing back helped you? Bruh
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ur healthcare point was the dumbest thing i've read all week. thanks for the amusement.
ur telling me u need poor people for the economy? do you understand the problem is with the system that abuses the poor? why do we need poor people? and u think they LIKE getting 'handouts'? do you get there are DOZENS of Republican politicians that take gov't handouts in farm subsidies?
You don't even have a clear policy on anything, ur just bashing others for no reason and making up stupid stereotypical generalizations
boogie sauce said:Healthcare reform? So now everyone that has a paper cut can go stand in line at the hospital and people with things that actually need to be taken care of can wait for another 2 or 3 years. Iraq troops home? Nope, they just moved to Afgan. Economy bounceback? Are you serious? Do you even know how bad it is right now. Not to mention the inflation in 1 year will destroy any efforts anyone has made to help this economy.
What the people that vote liberal don't understand is with the way our economy works there has to be poor people. And your Liberal politicians know this but they feed you garbage about how it is not fair. Not everyone can be a millionaire. And if everyone was then the dollar menu at Mcdonalds would turn into the 10000 dollar menu. Liberals want handouts and all they are ever going to get is nothing but a few watermelon seeds and a couple coupons to kfc.
Dukecityspecialist said:Lets see
Healthcare reform?? CHECK
Iraq troops home?? CHECK
Tax credit?? CHECK
Economy bounceback??CHECK
Wow and he actually said he was going to do all this during his campaign and some of you ppl act like he hasnt made good on any of his huge campaign promises. Oh yeah it was all done in about 2 years and 3 of those 4 things affected me directly but we still have almost two years to go before the end of his term.
Its still to early to cast a final choice before all the options are layed out. Did some of you poor and under privileged hard working citizens actually expect things to turn around completely after 2 years? If you did then I must say that crack is one hell of a drug!
The mess that this dude inherited was one of the worst in US history. We can all sit here and watch fox,cnn or any other major media outlet for info like everyone else or you can actually do the footwork and research yourselves and figure out exactly how all these new laws ,bills and elections directly affect you and yours.
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I don't know if they like it or not. But every week there is a line out the door where they cut welfare checks. There is always a job and these people that haven't worked for years and get free government money are lazy. Its just like the people still living in the government trailers down in NO. I have no sympathy for lazy people that don't want to make something better for themselves. And the system in place is far from abusing the poor. 1% of America pays for 95% of the taxes. You want to talk about fair. How about everyone pays a 20% tax on everything. Then the top 1% would pay for 1 percent and the bottom 95% would pay for 95 % of the taxes. Why don't you got to the welfare line and ask each individual what they have done to help themselves. I don't mind handouts but they need to be foodstamps. And clothing stamps. Not some check that some selfish asshole takes to buy drugs with.
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Permalink Reply by a tie a on
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In that case, ok fine, there are SOME poor people freeloading, but you don't understand their situation, so u can't just make assumptions about them.
95% of the population pays 95% of taxes?????????? are you fucking RETARDED? that is the most ingnorant shit i've EVER heard in my LIFE.
top 1% contributing 1% of the taxes is such a pathetic amount, and what, ur telling me these millionaires should keep their few million EXTRA dollars that they won't spend anyways? so their money can be inherited by their children, who did REALLY did nothing to deserve it? jesus this is such an insane proposition. it amazes me... god. i need to stop typing from all this frustration. DAMMIT
boogie sauce said:I don't know if they like it or not. But every week there is a line out the door where they cut welfare checks. There is always a job and these people that haven't worked for years and get free government money are lazy. Its just like the people still living in the government trailers down in NO. I have no sympathy for lazy people that don't want to make something better for themselves. And the system in place is far from abusing the poor. 1% of America pays for 95% of the taxes. You want to talk about fair. How about everyone pays a 20% tax on everything. Then the top 1% would pay for 1 percent and the bottom 95% would pay for 95 % of the taxes. Why don't you got to the welfare line and ask each individual what they have done to help themselves. I don't mind handouts but they need to be foodstamps. And clothing stamps. Not some check that some selfish asshole takes to buy drugs with.
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Your right all the people in the welfare line deserve their millions as opposed to their own children. And I don't know if you don't understand what I am saying or if you aren't smart to figure it out. If everyone pays a 20% sales tax then everyone is paying equal taxes. Then the top 1% will have to pay 20% tax on their 20 million dollar house while the bottom 95% can pay 20% tax on their 2000 dollar rims. Or a 20% sales tax on a 5 dollar hamburger. Whatever it is its fair.
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economic equality like what u propse isn't practical. Clinton's taxes on the top 1% were at a 40% tax rate, and our economy BOOMED. but Bush's bs tax cuts are a major part of what fucked our economy.
and what i was saying about inheritence is that rich kids can inherit their parents' shit and be rich and not worry about anything, whereas these 'greedy' people on welfare are only getting enough for them to live. you really think that that's what these people in welfare are trying to do? i wasn't saying they deserve to keep their millions (COZ THEY EVEN HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK). and in these economic times, increasing taxes is the only thing to stimulate our economy, and we can't just beat down the middle class who are already burdened when the rich are only getting richer and paying less, while having unused surpluses.
and can u give me sources where u get these numbers? coz i've seen about 100 statistics on this thread and no1 shows sources
boogie sauce said:Your right all the people in the welfare line deserve their millions as opposed to their own children. And I don't know if you don't understand what I am saying or if you aren't smart to figure it out. If everyone pays a 20% sales tax then everyone is paying equal taxes. Then the top 1% will have to pay 20% tax on their 20 million dollar house while the bottom 95% can pay 20% tax on their 2000 dollar rims. Or a 20% sales tax on a 5 dollar hamburger. Whatever it is its fair.
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lol thanks. i try. i laugh at ignorance until i realize it ultimatley takes part in how policy making ends up working via their votes. i can't just let ignorance run rampant and not try anything =/
Ice Cold said:Wow. This thread turned from a heated yet civil debate into a forum of racial stereotypes and ignorant slander quickly. A Tie, I appreciated that we could have a heated discussion yet keep it respectful despite our almost polar opposite views. You seem like a good guy and, if you decide to keep up with this topic, I hope that at least you are able to pass on your intelligence and extinguish some of the ignorance that is plaguing these imbecilic American voters.
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Increasing taxes is taking money away from the people. You forget that our economy is 70% consumer based meaning the more people spend money the better our economy is.
a tie a said:economic equality like what u propse isn't practical. Clinton's taxes on the top 1% were at a 40% tax rate, and our economy BOOMED. but Bush's bs tax cuts are a major part of what fucked our economy.
and what i was saying about inheritence is that rich kids can inherit their parents' shit and be rich and not worry about anything, whereas these 'greedy' people on welfare are only getting enough for them to live. you really think that that's what these people in welfare are trying to do? i wasn't saying they deserve to keep their millions (COZ THEY EVEN HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK). and in these economic times, increasing taxes is the only thing to stimulate our economy, and we can't just beat down the middle class who are already burdened when the rich are only getting richer and paying less, while having unused surpluses.
and can u give me sources where u get these numbers? coz i've seen about 100 statistics on this thread and no1 shows sources
boogie sauce said:Your right all the people in the welfare line deserve their millions as opposed to their own children. And I don't know if you don't understand what I am saying or if you aren't smart to figure it out. If everyone pays a 20% sales tax then everyone is paying equal taxes. Then the top 1% will have to pay 20% tax on their 20 million dollar house while the bottom 95% can pay 20% tax on their 2000 dollar rims. Or a 20% sales tax on a 5 dollar hamburger. Whatever it is its fair.
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increasing taxes gives money to the gov't to increase and expand their programs that help stimulate the economy... reducing taxes isn't going to help reduce our deficit either
boogie sauce said:Increasing taxes is taking money away from the people. You forget that our economy is 70% consumer based meaning the more people spend money the better our economy is.
a tie a said:economic equality like what u propse isn't practical. Clinton's taxes on the top 1% were at a 40% tax rate, and our economy BOOMED. but Bush's bs tax cuts are a major part of what fucked our economy.
and what i was saying about inheritence is that rich kids can inherit their parents' shit and be rich and not worry about anything, whereas these 'greedy' people on welfare are only getting enough for them to live. you really think that that's what these people in welfare are trying to do? i wasn't saying they deserve to keep their millions (COZ THEY EVEN HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK). and in these economic times, increasing taxes is the only thing to stimulate our economy, and we can't just beat down the middle class who are already burdened when the rich are only getting richer and paying less, while having unused surpluses.
and can u give me sources where u get these numbers? coz i've seen about 100 statistics on this thread and no1 shows sources
boogie sauce said:Your right all the people in the welfare line deserve their millions as opposed to their own children. And I don't know if you don't understand what I am saying or if you aren't smart to figure it out. If everyone pays a 20% sales tax then everyone is paying equal taxes. Then the top 1% will have to pay 20% tax on their 20 million dollar house while the bottom 95% can pay 20% tax on their 2000 dollar rims. Or a 20% sales tax on a 5 dollar hamburger. Whatever it is its fair.
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i agree with u. but it's spelled Al-Qaeda lol
DBoy 5280 said:Ok, my reaction was definitely juvenile but being called retarded is deeply insulting to me because of a longtime friend of mine had major downs and walking around with him in school and surprisingly a lot in public I heard that word tossed at him usually followed by laughter. I was wrong for the follow up but I still stand by what I said. Ever since I moved in the burbs thats when I started getting called "beaner, wetback, spick" so on and so on. These r the same people who call me for work and dont let me in the front door when I show up, the same people who shake their heads when they drive by, the same people who put me in handcuffs outside of customers homes because of reports of break-ins in the neighborhood. I travel all over to all neighborhoods due to my work so I am able to compare the differences on a day to day basis. Only in 2 distinct areas do people still act like this(here its Parker and H. Ranch) and thats it. NOBODY ANYWHERE else has the same attitude as they do in the upper middle class. Now on that note not all people act like that so I apologize for grouping ya'll in the same group but its very very few out of many. My "beloved" party def has its faults but the actions of folks who support the ideals of Palin, Glen Beck, an Bill O'Riley are disgusting. Besides, those mentioned all work for Fox News who is financially supported by the same dude who wants to build the "terrorist mosque" and has donated to Al 'Quida and other anti-american terrorist groups. Think about it. Kinda sounds like somebody wants to tear us up from the inside out an the tea baggers took the bait.
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this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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1st paragraph
r u telling me Obama is trying to get rid of Congress and take their power? if so, ur insane, coz that's literally how i interpreted that. and if u think we shouldn't regulate healthcare corporations, then u clearly don't understand what's wrong with our healthcare system.
I agree, the mandate sucks. but at least the tax/fine w/e u call it isn't going to healthcare industries (if i'm wrong give me a link to a legit source).
I REALLY hope u were on Bush's ass for the Patriot Act that violated the Consitituion, because what u talked about is nothing compared to that. and really... idc about telling my healthcare info, financial info blah blah blah. i don't see how that's an issue. and can u give me some sources about it? sounds like an interesting read.
but i have one problem: you REALLY are telling me the LEFT hates the Constitution? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WING HAS NO RESPECT TO IT? They have NO religous tolerance on the stupid non-issue ground zero mosque, NO respect for privacy when Bush did the Patriot Act, that SHITS on that petty info we supposedly have to give (tho i hate Obama for repealing the Patriot Act. BUT i know if it didn't exist he wouldn't have brought anything like that up again). They are literally trying to get rid of the 14th Amendment. and you tell LIBERALS we don't care? IS THAT A JOKE? i can give you MULPTIPLE sources about Republicans not giving a shit about the Constitution. Challenge me and i will gladly do so.
i have 0 respect to people who give me this. i'm not saying all right winger are morons, but when people give me this kind of ignorant bs, i get incredibly pissed, because i actually follow politics, unlike you apparenlty. Obama isn't even a fucking left winger. he plays politics and gives in to the Republicans on every issue, inclduing this healthcare u hate so much.
Colin P. said:this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
a tie a said:can u stupid fuckers who oppose us libs actually EXPLAIN why you think ur position is the right one? all u do is ignorant bashing while never backing ur own points
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