Legalizing Marijuana?! HR 2306 Thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Longo on September 2, 2011 at 4:37pm

if ur getting pot from any of these countries, i truely feel sorry for you lol.

a tie a said:

smfh time to bring up the obvious on a topic that should be a no brainer

Obviously i support this, not because i want to smoke it, but because it's smart

 

1. It would deprive drug cartels in Mexico of money, which will lead to the following

a. Reduce their capabilities of destroying the Mexican government

b. Reduce the violence in Mexico, and Central and South America, thus not forcing so many people to illegally travel to the US, which can cause problems at the rate it happens in this country. Right wingers who complain about us Latinos should be happen about that

c. It'd finish this STUPID War On Drugs, based off of false reports from Reagan, or was it Nixon.... both are similar morons so I might be confusing them, that said marijuana was dangerous. We waste billions on this stupid shit that ends tens of thousands of lives and forces even more to this country, where we then bitch them out because we forced them to come here

2. It would bring in much needed revenue for this country to function. no shit

3. It would reduce the use of drugs. Based on what? Based off the fact that several countries, such as Portugal, and Spain if I remember correctly, legalized ALL drugs, with government providing these drugs, the use of drugs WENT DOWN

4. We would stop putting people in jail for this stupid shit. We waste millions to keep drug users in jail. Why? they aren't doing shit. 

a. This also causes overcrowding of prisons, and in many cases, they drug related offenders are kept in and the violent criminals are kicked out of the overcrowded prisons, which won't help society at all

 

Dspite this, it WON'T pass because:

1. The War On Drugs is a profit machine. There is money to be made and the following special interests will make sure this doesn't come through

a. Private Prisons off of drug offenders. They run the prison system, a billion dollar business which they won't give up

b. Drug monopolies

c. Defense contractors who profit off the operations in Central and South America

d. A smaller component, the alchohal industry. They don't want as much competition, but they are definetely not as intensely concerned as the first 3

The first 3 have extreme lobbying power and will make sure that our politicians won't support this bill

 

I'm sure there are others things to add to this, but I can't think of anything else ATM

 

On another note, Ron Paul is an idiot. Explain how the US will work with 0% income tax. Explain how people will settle with the removal of Social Securty, Medicare and Medicaid, all of which are immensely popular?

I mean he has some great positions, but overall he's an idiot, because it's clear he doesn't have a real deep grasp on the issues. I give him props here though because he's fighting for something that makes sense

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Permalink Reply by LxUn1c0 on September 2, 2011 at 4:55pm

You clearly must have missed the part where I also said "capital gains taxes." Those taxes are almost exclusively collected from the top 5% in this country and represent a much more significant source of revenue. Also, the sales taxes collected from consumption wouldn't be as predatory on the poor and middle classes as the amount of taxes which are stolen from their paychecks right now. In addition, in any suggested sales tax system, the poor in this country would be exempted from paying sales tax, not to mention certain items, such as basics like food and clothing, would not be subject to the national sales tax.

Saying "we all paid into it, so we have a right to collect" is part of the problem right now. It's not a robbery to get rid of it, because it's not a sustainable system, and there's not going to be anything left for us to collect within 15 years. If anything, the system itself is a robbery as it stands right now, collecting vast amounts of money from American citizens who will never see a penny from it in return. It's important that we find a workable alternative to these broken programs.

a tie a said:

Sales taxes hit the middle and poorer classes a lot more than the richer people int he country. and 0% income taxes would deprive us of IMMENSE amounts of money. in no way is that going to be sustainable

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Permalink Reply by LxUn1c0 on September 2, 2011 at 4:58pm

People often shake their heads in confusion when they know nothing about what someone else is talking about.

a tie a said:

SMFH

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Permalink Reply by a tie a on September 2, 2011 at 5:13pm

SMFH x100000000000000000000

LxUn1c0 said:

People often shake their heads in confusion when they know nothing about what someone else is talking about.

a tie a said:

SMFH

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Permalink Reply by a tie a on September 2, 2011 at 5:16pm

ok so taking it out and depriving people who payed their whole lives into is NOT a robbery.

not sustainable? last time i checked, before the asses in the Republican party wasted it, SS has a 2 trillion dollar SURPLUS, and studies showed it would at worst case scenario, would supply over 70% of current benefits indefinetley 

LxUn1c0 said:

You clearly must have missed the part where I also said "capital gains taxes." Those taxes are almost exclusively collected from the top 5% in this country and represent a much more significant source of revenue. Also, the sales taxes collected from consumption wouldn't be as predatory on the poor and middle classes as the amount of taxes which are stolen from their paychecks right now. In addition, in any suggested sales tax system, the poor in this country would be exempted from paying sales tax, not to mention certain items, such as basics like food and clothing, would not be subject to the national sales tax.

Saying "we all paid into it, so we have a right to collect" is part of the problem right now. It's not a robbery to get rid of it, because it's not a sustainable system, and there's not going to be anything left for us to collect within 15 years. If anything, the system itself is a robbery as it stands right now, collecting vast amounts of money from American citizens who will never see a penny from it in return. It's important that we find a workable alternative to these broken programs.

a tie a said:

Sales taxes hit the middle and poorer classes a lot more than the richer people int he country. and 0% income taxes would deprive us of IMMENSE amounts of money. in no way is that going to be sustainable

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Permalink Reply by LxUn1c0 on September 2, 2011 at 5:37pm

The SS fund has been raided for the past 40 years, regardless of which political party was in control, but it reached its peak when Bill Clinton was President and Congress was controlled by Democrats. That resulted in the complete depletion of the SS trust fund, but nice try pinning it on Republicans. The problem was created by both parties, and since the trust fund was depleted, SS has become a ponzi scheme, with people paying into it in ridiculous amounts to the point where they can never even hope to see a reasonable return on their investment, and those payments being used to fund the checks delivered to current beneficiaries. If you did some research, you would see that the "worst case scenario" is actually that SS becomes completely upside-down by 2017. Credence to that scenario is lent to the fact that, in the recent debt ceiling crisis, the government almost became unable to send people their SS checks.

a tie a said:

ok so taking it out and depriving people who payed their whole lives into is NOT a robbery.

not sustainable? last time i checked, before the asses in the Republican party wasted it, SS has a 2 trillion dollar SURPLUS, and studies showed it would at worst case scenario, would supply over 70% of current benefits indefinetley 

LxUn1c0 said:

You clearly must have missed the part where I also said "capital gains taxes." Those taxes are almost exclusively collected from the top 5% in this country and represent a much more significant source of revenue. Also, the sales taxes collected from consumption wouldn't be as predatory on the poor and middle classes as the amount of taxes which are stolen from their paychecks right now. In addition, in any suggested sales tax system, the poor in this country would be exempted from paying sales tax, not to mention certain items, such as basics like food and clothing, would not be subject to the national sales tax.

Saying "we all paid into it, so we have a right to collect" is part of the problem right now. It's not a robbery to get rid of it, because it's not a sustainable system, and there's not going to be anything left for us to collect within 15 years. If anything, the system itself is a robbery as it stands right now, collecting vast amounts of money from American citizens who will never see a penny from it in return. It's important that we find a workable alternative to these broken programs.

a tie a said:

Sales taxes hit the middle and poorer classes a lot more than the richer people int he country. and 0% income taxes would deprive us of IMMENSE amounts of money. in no way is that going to be sustainable

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Permalink Reply by daimon on September 2, 2011 at 7:55pm

who smokes marijuana anymore??? they need to legalize crack and heroin.

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Permalink Reply by a tie a on September 3, 2011 at 12:01am

SMFH

LxUn1c0 said:

The SS fund has been raided for the past 40 years, regardless of which political party was in control, but it reached its peak when Bill Clinton was President and Congress was controlled by Democrats. That resulted in the complete depletion of the SS trust fund, but nice try pinning it on Republicans. The problem was created by both parties, and since the trust fund was depleted, SS has become a ponzi scheme, with people paying into it in ridiculous amounts to the point where they can never even hope to see a reasonable return on their investment, and those payments being used to fund the checks delivered to current beneficiaries. If you did some research, you would see that the "worst case scenario" is actually that SS becomes completely upside-down by 2017. Credence to that scenario is lent to the fact that, in the recent debt ceiling crisis, the government almost became unable to send people their SS checks.

a tie a said:

ok so taking it out and depriving people who payed their whole lives into is NOT a robbery.

not sustainable? last time i checked, before the asses in the Republican party wasted it, SS has a 2 trillion dollar SURPLUS, and studies showed it would at worst case scenario, would supply over 70% of current benefits indefinetley 

LxUn1c0 said:

You clearly must have missed the part where I also said "capital gains taxes." Those taxes are almost exclusively collected from the top 5% in this country and represent a much more significant source of revenue. Also, the sales taxes collected from consumption wouldn't be as predatory on the poor and middle classes as the amount of taxes which are stolen from their paychecks right now. In addition, in any suggested sales tax system, the poor in this country would be exempted from paying sales tax, not to mention certain items, such as basics like food and clothing, would not be subject to the national sales tax.

Saying "we all paid into it, so we have a right to collect" is part of the problem right now. It's not a robbery to get rid of it, because it's not a sustainable system, and there's not going to be anything left for us to collect within 15 years. If anything, the system itself is a robbery as it stands right now, collecting vast amounts of money from American citizens who will never see a penny from it in return. It's important that we find a workable alternative to these broken programs.

a tie a said:

Sales taxes hit the middle and poorer classes a lot more than the richer people int he country. and 0% income taxes would deprive us of IMMENSE amounts of money. in no way is that going to be sustainable

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Permalink Reply by LxUn1c0 on September 3, 2011 at 12:06am

"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors, not from any actual profit earned by the organization, but from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors."

 

"The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going."

 

a tie a said:

SMFH

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