The Great Debate Science Vs. the true Christ, Jesus
ZietGayiest is straight illuminati/brotherhood of satan, at work.they want you to believe that there is an Illuminati, because if you believe in the devil it gives him power, eventually they want you to try and turn on the government, yes anarchy is part of there plan/agenda. they want you to believe this zeitgeist,= belief that faith in religion is a tool used by the "higher ups" to control you and manifest destiny according to there agenda. in that movie it showed how all cultural have a mysterious Deity. but all of those cultures were cultish vulturous. tryin to create there own imaginary messiah. through there own made up ancient history, with lack of truth they say is mystery. but in fact non of them worship or have a name for A Creator,..GOD(thus everyone has fallen from power) seems like they want to believe there is a God but they don't want to call him that word.
How ever all of these different nations, (i.e Egypt, Rome, Persia, Greece) created these legendary men, to fulfill the prophecies, in order to make all, drop to the knees, an worship there kingdom, falsely, but prosperously. they all studied the constellations and "zodiacs" but never just gave it up to the Lord God. and so, all of these, "Empires" fell. and fell hard. now keep in mind the Hebrew history tells us that all of these "great kingdoms" came about, because of babylon, ..after the fall of the tower of babel, came the mad confusion of tongues, "the mysteries!" and the made up there own histories. the fact that all of them share that same date of Dec 25,(jesus was born april 6) proves that it is satan at work. in the bible satan is referred to as the morning star.. Thou the fact that separates the anti-christs from tha actual Christ is that according to Hebrew history, and prophetic scriptures state that Jesus would be and was born an a "meridian of celestial time" meaning a middle of this worlds time line. and this day was April 6, 1 bc. and these Jewish scholars have it down to the hours in which he was born. and thats the whole northern star thing the kings followed to the baby Jesus. who grew up to fulfill the prophetic hebrew faith and scriptures. God sent himself through the womb of the Virgin Mary, in order to give the world he created his one begotten son, that who ever Believe in him shall not perish but live for eternity, life after death everlasting.
Only once a man of righteousness, born exactly the way the scriptures prophesied, was he able to become the ultiment sacrifice,(every wonder why jews don't sacrifice animals anymore?) after his death, his ghost, which is Holiest of Holies. covered the world, so that you could be forgiving of your trespasses against the Lord God of Creation. once that happened the law of religion became power less. oh yeas. read that part one more gain. so in order to keep order, religion was reshaped .. why do you think it is that our nation has been the most successful?(not counting the last couple decades) we rose up in knowledge, and power like no other before us (like, ancient rome, an egypt n all them) because when we started this nation, it was under God for Christs' people. now that it's filled wit all types of religions (just like the old Babylonia) we as a people do not put our trust in god anymore, but more so in money that says it right on it. (not to be gettin in to that at all)
i believe as a christian, that every 1700-2000 years something has happened that drastically changed the way we're heading. and each one(of the four) corresponds with an Element.(earth, water, wind, fire.) I.E.?? in the beginning God created the Earth, (oh and these four changes, go creation, destruction, creation, destruction) 1700 years later he floods it with Water, 300 or so years after that is when the tower of babel falls and all are separated to language and region.(thus creating race, creed and/or ethnic diversity) 1700-2000 years after that Jesus is born, lives to die so that his Spirit can cover the world in order to save us from an eternity of hell.
K?so that was about 2000 years ago. and the only element left, in my belief, would be Fire.
alright so i'm done with this last thing, the reason i believe there were a number of twelve disciples, and kings an all that,
has to to with the horroscope ihs to a degree, but i think it's more like there are twelve types of people/personality God can create/give us when we are given life/born on this earth, it says he has set the stars in the sky so that we can keep track of the seasons and the years, and to shine on us, to give us light. and light is love so idk you figures shit out on your own, but if it's truthful it will be backed up in the bible at least three times. peace out every one thanx4 reading.
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Permalink Reply by sam on -
also according to the bible two thirds of the worlds population is going to burn in hell. not because they are bad, evil, adulterous people....because they dont believe in god. and as far as people saying you can repent and accept jesus as your savior minutes before death. other religions are just as hardcore on their beliefs as christians. so why the hell would they just change their minds in their final moments? they wouldn't, they would still burn in hell. makes zero sense
bullshit
Landon said:exactly sam its just common sense lol
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Permalink Reply by G-FR3$H 3six0 on -
GOD could you please SMITE this thread?
This site getting flooded with fuckin retarded posts by this fucking Asshole.
I'm tired of see your ass on this site bitching about every lil thing. How bout you get a life an fucking a education because your a looser who really cant spell even if your life depended on it.
Instead of writing on this site and wasting every1's time, how bout you write a fucking book because your half way there.
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Permalink Reply by ElJefe7107 on -
I'd like to preface this response by acknowledging how utterly scientifically illerate you are. Secondly, you didn't address the problems I brought up. You merely responded with bullshit concocted on a pulpit that has no factual backing whatsoever.
When you first claim that science says the universe was created out of "nothing", you are grossly misunderstanding what and why the scientists propose what they do. Scientists derive their model of the universe using mathematics, and when you reach a certain point in the mathematics, you come to a singularity. A singularity means the graph of the function spikes to either positive or negative infinity, so we really can only speculate what happens at this point. Your account for how the earth was created is completely inadequate, and you just repeated some made-up bullshit. If I were you, I'd google the term accretion, and then maybe look up what stars actually do. Stars are the driving force of all of our chemistry. Without stars and the fission going on in the stars, we would not have any elements whatsoever. This means that the earth is created from star debris. The stars cannot have been created second unless you believe the tales of a couple illiterate sheep herders who wrote their stories specifically to add to the libraries of an ancient king, and he decided to fuse the stories together to make them his tribes history.
Don't even get me started on evolution or politics. You are obviously ignorant on both of these subjects entirely. The terminology in psychology for your state of mind is Delusional, so I recommend you jam out to that song every single day when this new tech album drops. Until then, recognize what you don't know, and become a little more humble. You speak as though you authoritativley know on this subject, but some entry level classes at a community college can clue you into some these grand mysteries that I have just discussed.
Oh, my favorite part is that he created us and the universe perfectly! HAHAHA! That's a good one! Apparently you haven't taken time to see anyone with birth defects, people who are prone to addictions of all sorts, and every other thing that is fucked up along the way. Another galaxy is on a crash course collision with ours, and we can only percieve ten percent of what is going on around us with our senses. Some kind of perfect design!
Peace
Your Local_Ghetto Superman said:first of all, Yes in the begining(of time) God, created the heaven(space) the earth.(mass) he said let there be light, and the light was.(hebrew belife says the light translates to jesus) there space time and matter. isn't that like the fundementals of sci or some shit like that ??? i just watched a "secular program" with morgan freeman that said scitetist now say the before the "big bang" the universe started out of nothing and all of a sudden the first super nova was born (the light, aka jesus).
Now when this first light exploded into exsistance, or what ever happend i can't even fatem, it gave life to a all creation. (God.) now that was all in the first day. and in that da; there was no sun or moon or stars yet so therefore we arennot able to messer, what he did in that first day, in a 24 hour cycle if ther arent any hours(frome the sun an moon) and there arent even stars yet but i'll wait for that, On the second day, he said let there be a firmament(somethin streached out hebrew translation) in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters one above and one below.thus creating an ozone layer/canapoe of water, like if the clouds were liquid and held in place to be more effective aginst radiation an shit, kinda like a green house. and that was the second day the third day he seperated the the water from the land and "gathered them into one place"(pangia) then God said bring forth grass and herb that yields seeds, and all trees and fruit all acordding to there kinds.(no innerspiecis breeding) the fact that apples can't evolve into grapes is this divine authority. and thats the third day. Here comes the fourth day, the sun and moon and stars. planets, i believe, were created when he made the earth, they just didn't shine yet. so lets clear this up he created mass, in the first amount of time, and he shaped not only the earth but the ocean and the atmosphere, plus planted all the seeding for life, all before he created the sun and the moon which is what we messer days with, so its safe to say, our comprehension of days and hours were not the same in those first four days.
secondly, he did make us and this entire universe perfectly. to the T. the sun and the moon are and have been in perfect harmony and rate since the begaining of time, this is too perfect to have just "happened". now i don't argue that politics and religion don't use, and twist the truth of the bible to turn a dollar, and or controll the masses. i think the usa does that every where and anytime they can. but God did send himself to earth through a child named jesus so that he could grow and teach the way of the Lord God, by walking the way he did, without sin. so that when his innocent blood would be spilled his holy spirit could come on to the world and give all sinners a chance of redemtion through grace and behavior changes, the new testement teaches that once this happened the law of religion no longer applies, you just have to live like you know jesus is right next to you. because he is. p.s. i know i repeated myself.
ElJefe7107 said:I'll easily discredit the bible in the first page. First off, the bible claims that God created the light and the earth, then two days later he created the sun... um the physics just doesn't work that way. Secondly, he created a firmament to hold the sky and dotted the stars on it. It cannot metaphorically mean that he created space because the same word is used many times with the root that means "to stamp out" (specifically with metal). Basically the writers of antiquity known as J and E, whose combined stories could not be the divine revelation of an all-knowing scientifically-prudent god, counts as a mythology that has the same truth merit as any Near Eastern mythologies. This is the first page only.
More specifically, I don't believe in a Sado-masochistic being who created us imperfect, demands us to be perfect, punishes us if we don't obey, and does all this because he "loves us". Sounds a little bit like political propaganda if you ask me. If you can give me a reason to believe in a being that sacrificed his own son unnecessarily, then I'll begin to think you may have a little bit of "genius" in you. Oh, don't try and bombard me with fire and brimstone bullshit. I'm talking justifiable reasons. If you'd like to know what's justifiable, I'll give you a hint: the bible (unless you can give me specific reasons why it's more than any other work of antiquity), extraoridanry emotions you feel when you pray(I get the same feelings when I listen to Tool), and you know because God told you doesn't count.
I don't mind you having your faith, but if you want advice, focus on orthopraxy. If you focus on orthodoxy, which is what you are doing by challenging the truth claims of the bible, you will be sadly disappointed when you find out that the priest has been feeding you speculative bull shit your whole life. I'll assert that there isn't one good reason to believe in religion beside hedonism. You can believe in what you believe in, but your right to swing your arm ends at my nose.
Peace
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Permalink Reply by Your Local_Ghetto Superman on -
i'm telling you what to do, and i wont be the type to say i told you so, and i don't wanna be the reason you don't believe in him.... i'm just in order to go to the kingdom of Heaven. .. you have to believe in the Holy Trinity, God(creator) +Jesus(the saviour/sacrifice)+the Holy Ghost= life everlasting in love because that is what the scriptures of moses say, which corroborate every book of scriptures that is in the Bible.
it isn't my way, this is just what i've been studying for some time now, history, culture, science, religion, the only thing is that i Go, to the bible, and believe it to be of truth, from the highest power of all, the holiest of holies. God and the son, and the holy spirit. written through men of devote faith, in which if you give you life to him you will be of his will as well, .he controls all.
sam said:baptits, catholics, evangelicals, and others believe in god. they have slightly different beliefs. they all can't b right. if there is any truth to them then all but one must be wrong. it makes no sense, so which one is right?? let me guess...yours
Your Local_Ghetto Superman said:thats because you intoxicated. watch the i need a doctor video, by dre and eminem. try to see/hear metaphors, thats the best thing to do when your fuckered up.
Cflo said:Yea I'm hella fucked up right now and that shit still ain't interesting
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Permalink Reply by Tazz on -
I believe you just did something like this, but with words:
ElJefe7107 said:I'd like to preface this response by acknowledging how utterly scientifically illerate you are. Secondly, you didn't address the problems I brought up. You merely responded with bullshit concocted on a pulpit that has no factual backing whatsoever.
When you first claim that science says the universe was created out of "nothing", you are grossly misunderstanding what and why the scientists propose what they do. Scientists derive their model of the universe using mathematics, and when you reach a certain point in the mathematics, you come to a singularity. A singularity means the graph of the function spikes to either positive or negative infinity, so we really can only speculate what happens at this point. Your account for how the earth was created is completely inadequate, and you just repeated some made-up bullshit. If I were you, I'd google the term accretion, and then maybe look up what stars actually do. Stars are the driving force of all of our chemistry. Without stars and the fission going on in the stars, we would not have any elements whatsoever. This means that the earth is created from star debris. The stars cannot have been created second unless you believe the tales of a couple illiterate sheep herders who wrote their stories specifically to add to the libraries of an ancient king, and he decided to fuse the stories together to make them his tribes history.
Don't even get me started on evolution or politics. You are obviously ignorant on both of these subjects entirely. The terminology in psychology for your state of mind is Delusional, so I recommend you jam out to that song every single day when this new tech album drops. Until then, recognize what you don't know, and become a little more humble. You speak as though you authoritativley know on this subject, but some entry level classes at a community college can clue you into some these grand mysteries that I have just discussed.
Oh, my favorite part is that he created us and the universe perfectly! HAHAHA! That's a good one! Apparently you haven't taken time to see anyone with birth defects, people who are prone to addictions of all sorts, and every other thing that is fucked up along the way. Another galaxy is on a crash course collision with ours, and we can only percieve ten percent of what is going on around us with our senses. Some kind of perfect design!
Peace
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First i wasn't tryin to disprove scientist, because they can't disprove God.mathematics were made up by man, written facts of gods will and authority.i was merly stating what your, Frist Page, of whatever small bible it is your read from, really says. (which by the way was only the first four paragraphs)
for you to try and say, or believe that you, or any scientists, could fathem whathappened in the beginning of the universe you are crazy. like i said i was watching the discovery channel and they said that. as soon as i seen and heard there theroy,i knew the truth in my heart because i read and believe the bibles creation. and when i wrote what i did to you i had the bible right next to me.
i can't remember where it was but i'm pretty sure i said that the planets and stars where all created at the same time, the stars, were just not illumintated yet, untill the fourth day, then the lights came on and all was able to grow. (kinda like you mind)and the nesx days follow that of you darwinism, he created the fish in the sea, and then the insects and and animals, then he made man, and out of man he made women.. so maybe adam was asexual lol
sheep herdering is really hard, you try to live were they did/do(hebrews) and survive off the the land like that. and they did not decide to fuse it together it always was, is and shall be.truth, the fact that a man named moses was abel to put together the basis of science in thefirst line."God created time, and space, and matter" before there was any proof of the shit.(sci.) i understand science and your theroys but it's twisted very cleverly, and i simple disregard the bullshit. you say this universe isn't perfect, have you never made love to a sexy beautiful women?have you never felt the joy of bringing life into the world? you don't think for one second that the sun and moon are the same size because of God? and give light to this planet perfectly, as do the stars because of some awesome supreme being? and he isn't worthy of your praises.
i how ever am no longer delusional, i gave up the darkness for the love of life and Jesus.why do i feel like this is a juggulo site, and not a tech n9ne site...you do know every one on strange, from K.C., is a God fearing christian don't you, and how the whole lot of em are trying to steer away from the devil, and Go with the Lord.ya'll act like you still listening to K.O.D or something.. take a time and read his thanxyous.
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G-FR3$H 3six0 said:GOD could you please SMITE this thread?
This site getting flooded with fuckin retarded posts by this fucking Asshole.
I'm tired of see your ass on this site bitching about every lil thing. How bout you get a life an fucking a education because your a looser who really cant spell even if your life depended on it.
Instead of writing on this site and wasting every1's time, how bout you write a fucking book because your half way there.
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Permalink Reply by Your Local_Ghetto Superman on
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yes i doesn't matter how you live if you don't believe you will perish whth the third of the world when that time happens. as for excepting christ when you are about to die, doesn't give you much time to repent and live your life with jesus as your king, now does it, so you better hope you do it soon. and when god comes back, every one will know it is and alway has been him, without a doubt. he is it. after he returns he will reign as king of the world for 1 thousand years.
and i will try and raise my kids not to tell your kids "i told you so"
sam said:
also according to the bible two thirds of the worlds population is going to burn in hell. not because they are bad, evil, adulterous people....because they dont believe in god. and as far as people saying you can repent and accept jesus as your savior minutes before death. other religions are just as hardcore on their beliefs as christians. so why the hell would they just change their minds in their final moments? they wouldn't, they would still burn in hell. makes zero sense
bullshit
Landon said:exactly sam its just common sense lol
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1. Mathematics were "made by man."? The Bible was written by man. Man lies, because man is inherently flawed. Yes, it's the "Word of God," but it was written by Man. How can you be sure that it's the truth, if man wrote it?
2. You're saying because Tech N9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Big Scoob, Kutt Calhoun, etc. believe in God, so should I?
Letting other people, especially celebrities that you have no real relationship with, influence what you believe, is one of the stupidest things that you can do. I don't care what Tech N9ne believes. I like his music, but I'm not him, or his son, so his religious beliefs are of no concern to me.Your Local_Ghetto Superman said:
First i wasn't tryin to disprove scientist, because they can't disprove God.mathematics were made up by man, written facts of gods will and authority.i was merly stating what your, Frist Page, of whatever small bible it is your read from, really says. (which by the way was only the first four paragraphs)
for you to try and say, or believe that you, or any scientists, could fathem whathappened in the beginning of the universe you are crazy. like i said i was watching the discovery channel and they said that. as soon as i seen and heard there theroy,i knew the truth in my heart because i read and believe the bibles creation. and when i wrote what i did to you i had the bible right next to me.
i can't remember where it was but i'm pretty sure i said that the planets and stars where all created at the same time, the stars, were just not illumintated yet, untill the fourth day, then the lights came on and all was able to grow. (kinda like you mind)and the nesx days follow that of you darwinism, he created the fish in the sea, and then the insects and and animals, then he made man, and out of man he made women.. so maybe adam was asexual lol
sheep herdering is really hard, you try to live were they did/do(hebrews) and survive off the the land like that. and they did not decide to fuse it together it always was, is and shall be.truth, the fact that a man named moses was abel to put together the basis of science in thefirst line."God created time, and space, and matter" before there was any proof of the shit.(sci.) i understand science and your theroys but it's twisted very cleverly, and i simple disregard the bullshit. you say this universe isn't perfect, have you never made love to a sexy beautiful women?have you never felt the joy of bringing life into the world? you don't think for one second that the sun and moon are the same size because of God? and give light to this planet perfectly, as do the stars because of some awesome supreme being? and he isn't worthy of your praises.
i how ever am no longer delusional, i gave up the darkness for the love of life and Jesus.why do i feel like this is a juggulo site, and not a tech n9ne site...you do know every one on strange, from K.C., is a God fearing christian don't you, and how the whole lot of em are trying to steer away from the devil, and Go with the Lord.ya'll act like you still listening to K.O.D or something.. take a time and read his thanxyous.
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So many retards in here. On both sides of the 'argument'.
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I believe the only thing you should ever study is the dictionary. Your horrible, and quite comical, grammatical errors are almost as outrageous as your defense of Christianity and it's oily mortal slathered pages of lies and false hope for the salvation of man text book of close minded, old world beliefs. That you, some clown that goes by the name Your Local Ghetto Superman, has the intelligence to put such a thread on a site where the majority of it's users are those who either struggle with the fact that there is a higher power, if believe in a God at all, let alone comprehend the written word is a miracle in itself. You're no better the Zeitgeist anarchist Devil worshipers you set out to disprove. At least they have SCIENTIFIC evidence to support the fact that, ALL Religion, is based off one another. What do you mean? We'll I'll tell you since I watched the same thing and obviously wasn't informed by a Sesame Street Special on Zeitgeist. What they discovered was that all religion stems from one singular source Mesopotamia, the oldest civilization known to man, and that every SERIOUS religion, sorry Tom Cruise Scientology is for psychos, has borrowed from there beliefs. That's is how most religions share a bond with each other because their is a God, a virgin birth, a great prophet and son of God, 12 disciples, a death and a resurrection. Which all, and you guessed it, taken for Mesopotamian texts! Christianity is by far the closest version to follow those ancient texts, but sadly, borrowed. Or stolen, depending on how you want to look at it? So in conclusion I'll say this, Religion has failed our world and has been for thousands of years with the Middle East as our best example. Idiots like you are the reason we put assholes like Bush in power for 8 years. All because him and God are homies and you decided to believe that. This country will still put people like that in power and all because you based it off the fact that he couldn't be bad he serves God. I see no improvement. Might as well put Satan in power because God isn't cutting it. No God is. And if you believe in Satan as well, then you truly are a fool. We are and have been the great cosmic anomalie (by the way, I didn't know how to spell that, SO I LOOKED IT UP). And just like our great reptilian predecessors our time will inevitably come to an end. So do everybody a favor and take your 'salvation for your souls' speech and lack of good reasoning and save it for the faith healers at your next town hall meeting.
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religion = propaganda
Jeremy Zakrajsek said:
i might try to memorize that shit and go crazy on someone
ElJefe7107 said:I'll easily discredit the bible in the first page. First off, the bible claims that God created the light and the earth, then two days later he created the sun... um the physics just doesn't work that way. Secondly, he created a firmament to hold the sky and dotted the stars on it. It cannot metaphorically mean that he created space because the same word is used many times with the root that means "to stamp out" (specifically with metal). Basically the writers of antiquity known as J and E, whose combined stories could not be the divine revelation of an all-knowing scientifically-prudent god, counts as a mythology that has the same truth merit as any Near Eastern mythologies. This is the first page only.
More specifically, I don't believe in a Sado-masochistic being who created us imperfect, demands us to be perfect, punishes us if we don't obey, and does all this because he "loves us". Sounds a little bit like political propaganda if you ask me. If you can give me a reason to believe in a being that sacrificed his own son unnecessarily, then I'll begin to think you may have a little bit of "genius" in you. Oh, don't try and bombard me with fire and brimstone bullshit. I'm talking justifiable reasons. If you'd like to know what's justifiable, I'll give you a hint: the bible doesn't count(unless you can give me specific reasons why it's more than any other work of antiquity), extraoridanry emotions you feel when you pray(I get the same feelings when I listen to Tool), and you know because God told you.
I don't mind you having your faith, but if you want advice, focus on orthopraxy. If you focus on orthodoxy, which is what you are doing by challenging the truth claims of the bible, you will be sadly disappointed when you find out that the priest has been feeding you speculative bull shit your whole life. I'll assert that there isn't one good reason to believe in religion beside hedonism. You can believe in what you believe in, but your right to swing your arm ends at my nose.
Peace
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