Lets shut this guy down

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Permalink Reply by Crooked Cali on December 17, 2009 at 9:22pm

Yeah clearly reads not for sale....just like ummmm....DVDs arnt to be copied....and CDs arnt to be copied...who gives a fuck...Do you think you have the right to be internet dective because it invovles Strange Music? or do you go around Erresting every purp. on the internet selling mixtapes too? I bet theres hundreds of mixtapes on ebay with a Tech N9ne song on it....But you see, they just say "Im selling the case and art work, the cd inside is free"...Does this make you guys angry too???

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Permalink Reply by Crooked Cali on December 17, 2009 at 9:29pm

Well it's a legit document, dick head..

Flicktion. said:

Why would I take legal advice from someone who can't spell a four letter word?

B-CIDE said:

I see everyone going crazy over these NOT FOR SALE PROMO CDs. I'm sorry but some of you seam to be misinformed. It is 100% legal to sell promo CDs. If any of you want a good read about this subject I have copied and pasted it. This one seller of Promo CD's went up against the industry giant, Universal Music Group and WON.

UMG v. Augusto

The "first sale" doctrine expresses one of the most important limitations on the reach of copyright law. The idea, set out in Section 109 of the Copyright Act, is simple: once you've acquired a lawfully-made CD or book or DVD, you can lend, sell, or give it away without having to get permission from the copyright owner. In simpler terms, "you bought it, you own it" (and because first sale also applies to gifts, "they gave it to you, you own it," is also true).

But the copyright industries have never liked first sale, since it creates competition for their titles (you could borrow it from a friend, pick it up at a library, or buy it from a used book seller on Amazon). It also reduces their ability to impose restrictions on how you use the work after it is sold. For example, at the turn of the 20th century, book publishers tried to impose a minimum resale price on books by putting a notice in every copy. In the 1930s, record labels put "private use only, not for broadcast" notices on records in an attempt to block radio stations from playing their records without additional payment. In the 1980s, movie studios tried the same thing with video cassettes, trying to control the video rental business. Congress, the courts, and free markets have consistently rejected these efforts to undermine the first sale principle.

But that hasn't stopped Universal Music Group (UMG). In May 2007, UMG sued Roast Beast Music for auctioning "promo CDs" on eBay, CDs which Roast Beast Music had itself purchased from used record stores around Los Angeles. Apparently, UMG had been harassing a number of eBay sellers, sending bogus DMCA takedown notices to eBay, getting auctions suspended and accounts terminated.

EFF, assisted by the San Francisco law firm of Keker & Van Nest LLP, took up the case on behalf of Roast Beast Music, answering UMG's allegations and counter-suing for the bogus DMCA takedowns. The critical question is whether UMG can trump the first sale doctrine by printing "promotional use only, not for resale" notices on the CDs that they routinely give away to radio stations, journalists, and tastemakers of all kinds. Many of these CDs then find their way into the bins of used record stores.

If UMG is right, then copyright owners of all kinds can strip away our first sale rights by putting these kinds of "label licenses" on their wares. Next thing you know, CDs, books, DVDs, and video games could be festooned with "notices" that erode a customer's first sale, fair use, and other rights. Imagine, for example, books "for personal use only, not for library lending" or DVDs that say "not for rental for less than $1 per day."

Fortunately, UMG lost. In June 2008, the district court dismissed UMG's copyright claims, finding that the initial recipients of "promo CDs" own them, notwithstanding "not for resale" labels. The court rejected the notion that these labels create a "license" or that "promo CDs" are "loaned" by the record labels, and instead concluded that the CDs are gifts. According to the opinion, "UMG gives the Promo CDs to music industry insiders, never to be returned. ... Nor does the licensing label require the recipient to provide UMG with any benefit to retain possession."

UMG has appealed the decision to the Ninth Circuit. An appellate court victory against UMG will help cement the principle of first sale in copyright law -- once ownership has passed, copyright law no longer interferes with resale of lawfully made books, CDs, DVDs, or other copyrighted works.


Although I would not sell a promotional sampler CD on eBay, it is legal. All these promos are write-offs for record labels thus you will see a promo stamp or a hole punch through a barcode (those are marked for promotional use only)

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Permalink Reply by David on December 17, 2009 at 9:47pm

some people are just retarded. i myself am sometimes but ya, you post a legitimate case where someone discredits this whole illegal shit and someone still wants to argue it and his basis is that the guy mispelled a word. Nice.

Crooked Cali said:

Well it's a legit document, dick head..

Flicktion. said:

Why would I take legal advice from someone who can't spell a four letter word?

B-CIDE said:

I see everyone going crazy over these NOT FOR SALE PROMO CDs. I'm sorry but some of you seam to be misinformed. It is 100% legal to sell promo CDs. If any of you want a good read about this subject I have copied and pasted it. This one seller of Promo CD's went up against the industry giant, Universal Music Group and WON.

UMG v. Augusto

The "first sale" doctrine expresses one of the most important limitations on the reach of copyright law. The idea, set out in Section 109 of the Copyright Act, is simple: once you've acquired a lawfully-made CD or book or DVD, you can lend, sell, or give it away without having to get permission from the copyright owner. In simpler terms, "you bought it, you own it" (and because first sale also applies to gifts, "they gave it to you, you own it," is also true).

But the copyright industries have never liked first sale, since it creates competition for their titles (you could borrow it from a friend, pick it up at a library, or buy it from a used book seller on Amazon). It also reduces their ability to impose restrictions on how you use the work after it is sold. For example, at the turn of the 20th century, book publishers tried to impose a minimum resale price on books by putting a notice in every copy. In the 1930s, record labels put "private use only, not for broadcast" notices on records in an attempt to block radio stations from playing their records without additional payment. In the 1980s, movie studios tried the same thing with video cassettes, trying to control the video rental business. Congress, the courts, and free markets have consistently rejected these efforts to undermine the first sale principle.

But that hasn't stopped Universal Music Group (UMG). In May 2007, UMG sued Roast Beast Music for auctioning "promo CDs" on eBay, CDs which Roast Beast Music had itself purchased from used record stores around Los Angeles. Apparently, UMG had been harassing a number of eBay sellers, sending bogus DMCA takedown notices to eBay, getting auctions suspended and accounts terminated.

EFF, assisted by the San Francisco law firm of Keker & Van Nest LLP, took up the case on behalf of Roast Beast Music, answering UMG's allegations and counter-suing for the bogus DMCA takedowns. The critical question is whether UMG can trump the first sale doctrine by printing "promotional use only, not for resale" notices on the CDs that they routinely give away to radio stations, journalists, and tastemakers of all kinds. Many of these CDs then find their way into the bins of used record stores.

If UMG is right, then copyright owners of all kinds can strip away our first sale rights by putting these kinds of "label licenses" on their wares. Next thing you know, CDs, books, DVDs, and video games could be festooned with "notices" that erode a customer's first sale, fair use, and other rights. Imagine, for example, books "for personal use only, not for library lending" or DVDs that say "not for rental for less than $1 per day."

Fortunately, UMG lost. In June 2008, the district court dismissed UMG's copyright claims, finding that the initial recipients of "promo CDs" own them, notwithstanding "not for resale" labels. The court rejected the notion that these labels create a "license" or that "promo CDs" are "loaned" by the record labels, and instead concluded that the CDs are gifts. According to the opinion, "UMG gives the Promo CDs to music industry insiders, never to be returned. ... Nor does the licensing label require the recipient to provide UMG with any benefit to retain possession."

UMG has appealed the decision to the Ninth Circuit. An appellate court victory against UMG will help cement the principle of first sale in copyright law -- once ownership has passed, copyright law no longer interferes with resale of lawfully made books, CDs, DVDs, or other copyrighted works.


Although I would not sell a promotional sampler CD on eBay, it is legal. All these promos are write-offs for record labels thus you will see a promo stamp or a hole punch through a barcode (those are marked for promotional use only)

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Permalink Reply by Techn9cian4life on December 17, 2009 at 11:01pm

Actually....DVDs and CDs can be copied, you just can't sell the copy to make a profit for yourself. That's why bootlegging is illegal : ) If copying CDs or DVDs was illegal, they wouldn't put DVD/CD writers in a simple computer. You should read up on a law, before you go preaching about it, and making negative comments towards someone, thus looking like an idiot when you get corrected :)

Crooked Cali said:

Yeah clearly reads not for sale....just like ummmm....DVDs arnt to be copied....and CDs arnt to be copied...who gives a fuck...Do you think you have the right to be internet dective because it invovles Strange Music? or do you go around Erresting every purp. on the internet selling mixtapes too? I bet theres hundreds of mixtapes on ebay with a Tech N9ne song on it....But you see, they just say "Im selling the case and art work, the cd inside is free"...Does this make you guys angry too???

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Permalink Reply by Crooked Cali on December 19, 2009 at 4:26am

Well little internet lawyer.....I have a DVD case in my hand right now...that clearly reads..."This DVD is not to be copied and is copy protected, and may be played only on licensed devices" ...I wasn't "preaching" the law..Actually I was mocking the laws you idiot..Simply down-rating how stupid it is to go after people selling a sampler cd would be to going after people burning dvds and selling them ect..Like its REALLY not a big deal...But thanks for bit of miss-info there buddy!

Techn9cian4life said:

Actually....DVDs and CDs can be copied, you just can't sell the copy to make a profit for yourself. That's why bootlegging is illegal : ) If copying CDs or DVDs was illegal, they wouldn't put DVD/CD writers in a simple computer. You should read up on a law, before you go preaching about it, and making negative comments towards someone, thus looking like an idiot when you get corrected :)

Crooked Cali said:

Yeah clearly reads not for sale....just like ummmm....DVDs arnt to be copied....and CDs arnt to be copied...who gives a fuck...Do you think you have the right to be internet dective because it invovles Strange Music? or do you go around Erresting every purp. on the internet selling mixtapes too? I bet theres hundreds of mixtapes on ebay with a Tech N9ne song on it....But you see, they just say "Im selling the case and art work, the cd inside is free"...Does this make you guys angry too???

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