Frank Ocean Confesses Sexuality

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Permalink Reply by ＭʞƝ♕ on July 6, 2012 at 8:42pm

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on July 7, 2012 at 11:43am

Yeah I fully understand that and agree with it, I was just responding to the fact that if I don't get it/agree with it im an asshole. All im saying is people are different, im not gonna be a cunt about it but that doesn't mean im gonna act like i dont have my own opinions. To me being black/white/asian/whatever is different, being of a certain colour doesn't mean that person has 'racial actions', sure different races do have differences but so do people of the same race from different countries. Being gay means that at some point your dick has been in another mans orifices, i dont hate you for it, but i dont wanna be around it. I've never had any gay friends so i have no idea how i would act, but say if I said 'I dont wanna hear about your buttfucking' i dont see that as a problem. Id be fine with doing the same for them. I mean some people like shitting on people/being shit on, i dont wanna hear about that either. Obviously there is a difference cause being gay is a choice whereas fetish type shit is more of a compulsion or whatever. Call me whatever you want, but that conversation topic makes me want to dryheave and stab my ears with samurai swords, and really, id  feel rude doing that infront of them, so why not avoid it? Most people have enough of a personality to manage a conversation without bringing up fucking anyway, and if you cant, id find you boring anyway.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on July 7, 2012 at 9:46pm

Lmao yeah I get where you're coming from, but alot of people have the misconception that if a dude is gay, he's suddenly going to rant about having intercourse with dudes, or that somehow for some reason they would become a part of their sexlife and are affected by it. I've met a few gay and and not a single one has even expressed their interest men, and if someone hadn't told me they were gay I wouldn't have known. It's just hand in hand with racism and sexism because it's not something that person can change, sexism = degrading someone for having the opposite genitals to you. racism = hating someone for having different coloured skin to you. Homophobia = hating someone because they have interest in the opposite gender that you do. I know you know the meanings and agree, I'm just trying to show how there's really no need to disagree with the sexlife of somebody that doesn't affect you, unless it's something like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia (like BMF was trying to compare homosexuality to) which is actually wrong because the child/animal/dead person doesn't agree to what's happening. Anyway why is all the negativity generated by what they do in the bedroom? But yeah I would definitely not want to partake in gay activity, but then again that's not even being put on the table as a result of other people being gay lol. Do I disagree with homosexual acts as far as to say I don't want to be involved in it? Yes, as much as I don't want to be involved in BDSM or eating broccoli. But do I disagree that gay dudes can get married, love who they wana love and keep what they do together private like the average man? Nooope, that would be bigoted. I don't think you're an asshole because I don't think you're a homophobe, I just think you haven't done enough research on it (no offense meant at all, it's just a topic that demands complete understanding). 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Yeah I fully understand that and agree with it, I was just responding to the fact that if I don't get it/agree with it im an asshole. All im saying is people are different, im not gonna be a cunt about it but that doesn't mean im gonna act like i dont have my own opinions. To me being black/white/asian/whatever is different, being of a certain colour doesn't mean that person has 'racial actions', sure different races do have differences but so do people of the same race from different countries. Being gay means that at some point your dick has been in another mans orifices, i dont hate you for it, but i dont wanna be around it. I've never had any gay friends so i have no idea how i would act, but say if I said 'I dont wanna hear about your buttfucking' i dont see that as a problem. Id be fine with doing the same for them. I mean some people like shitting on people/being shit on, i dont wanna hear about that either. Obviously there is a difference cause being gay is a choice whereas fetish type shit is more of a compulsion or whatever. Call me whatever you want, but that conversation topic makes me want to dryheave and stab my ears with samurai swords, and really, id  feel rude doing that infront of them, so why not avoid it? Most people have enough of a personality to manage a conversation without bringing up fucking anyway, and if you cant, id find you boring anyway.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by Mark on July 8, 2012 at 2:41am

sikez hats off to ya the smartest thing ive ever seen you post.  Frank Ocean is a very talented artist and being from the group he'swith  wich outiside of ICP has probably the most ignorant fan base and being from a very homophobic culture that rap is it took alot of courage to come out.  I applaud him and can't waite for channel orange.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on July 8, 2012 at 1:44pm

I know enough about homosexuality to form my own opinion and back it up, which for me, is enough. I don't see it as 'guys can't fuck other guys' i see it as 'yeah you can fuck other guys, but i dont wanna know'. In the same way i dont wanna know about most peoples kinky shit. Im the kinda person that sees two dudes kissing and looks the fuck away, i dont yell abuse, i dont confront them, i just don't look. So if their lifestyle is defendable because they don't harm anyone, unlike a rapist or a paedophile, why isn't my view of just not wanting to know, causing no harm, defendable, unlike a homophobe? The reason i seem to focus on what they do in bed an not other shit is because thats the part that invokes a bigger reaction, i can see two dudes holding hands or some shit and not look away because its not that big a deal. The same way some people hate seeing PDA in general and don't like talking about sex at all.
I never said all gay guys do is talk about gay sex and other gay shit, i said those are the ones i avoid, and they do exist e.g the fairies at the front of a gay parade wearing shit that should only be found in a girls clothing store and dancing like they're trying to pay their way through college at the same time as cheerleading, and talk the exact same way. Would they be doing that if they wern't gay? Almost definately not, so to me thats a person whose sexual preference is their most prominant personality trait. The rest, that like you said, make you double take when you hear they're gay, i can have a conversation with, but the second they bring up gay shit, if they do, im changing topic. Just like i do if someone starts talking about tennis, golf, the big bang theory (the show or the event) or chuck norris (you know its all about Bruce Lee, no question). It's not that i hate gay people, and i can understand how me not 'agreeing' with gayness could offend people, but shit, if you don't offend anyone, you don't have any opinions. I can accept being called a bit of a cunt about it, but im not a homophobe or a complete cunt. In fact, if this discussion had been just posts about 'killing all gays' and 'battering frank ocean' id be on your side of the argument, because that thought process is retarded. But, i got in here second and it didn't go that way, so im sat here in the middle of both sides doing 360's with a minigun.

Siikez said:

Lmao yeah I get where you're coming from, but alot of people have the misconception that if a dude is gay, he's suddenly going to rant about having intercourse with dudes, or that somehow for some reason they would become a part of their sexlife and are affected by it. I've met a few gay and and not a single one has even expressed their interest men, and if someone hadn't told me they were gay I wouldn't have known. It's just hand in hand with racism and sexism because it's not something that person can change, sexism = degrading someone for having the opposite genitals to you. racism = hating someone for having different coloured skin to you. Homophobia = hating someone because they have interest in the opposite gender that you do. I know you know the meanings and agree, I'm just trying to show how there's really no need to disagree with the sexlife of somebody that doesn't affect you, unless it's something like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia (like BMF was trying to compare homosexuality to) which is actually wrong because the child/animal/dead person doesn't agree to what's happening. Anyway why is all the negativity generated by what they do in the bedroom? But yeah I would definitely not want to partake in gay activity, but then again that's not even being put on the table as a result of other people being gay lol. Do I disagree with homosexual acts as far as to say I don't want to be involved in it? Yes, as much as I don't want to be involved in BDSM or eating broccoli. But do I disagree that gay dudes can get married, love who they wana love and keep what they do together private like the average man? Nooope, that would be bigoted. I don't think you're an asshole because I don't think you're a homophobe, I just think you haven't done enough research on it (no offense meant at all, it's just a topic that demands complete understanding). 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Yeah I fully understand that and agree with it, I was just responding to the fact that if I don't get it/agree with it im an asshole. All im saying is people are different, im not gonna be a cunt about it but that doesn't mean im gonna act like i dont have my own opinions. To me being black/white/asian/whatever is different, being of a certain colour doesn't mean that person has 'racial actions', sure different races do have differences but so do people of the same race from different countries. Being gay means that at some point your dick has been in another mans orifices, i dont hate you for it, but i dont wanna be around it. I've never had any gay friends so i have no idea how i would act, but say if I said 'I dont wanna hear about your buttfucking' i dont see that as a problem. Id be fine with doing the same for them. I mean some people like shitting on people/being shit on, i dont wanna hear about that either. Obviously there is a difference cause being gay is a choice whereas fetish type shit is more of a compulsion or whatever. Call me whatever you want, but that conversation topic makes me want to dryheave and stab my ears with samurai swords, and really, id  feel rude doing that infront of them, so why not avoid it? Most people have enough of a personality to manage a conversation without bringing up fucking anyway, and if you cant, id find you boring anyway.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on July 8, 2012 at 2:34pm

Lolol yeah I think you somehow got caught in the cross fire, you're not the homophobe people are referring to, that was BottledMindFrame. Like you, I don't wana see two dudes make out, no straight person does. Because that's just not what we want to see lol. Two girls? Sure, popcorn on the house. That isn't homophobia at all. I don't know, I've never really met a gay dude that just brings up gay stuff with straight friends, I'm sure they're more aware not to do so. But then again that's a bit of a generalisation lol. So I'm sure some gay dudes might be like that... but it's not a pandemic lol, I'd call that dislike of personality. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I know enough about homosexuality to form my own opinion and back it up, which for me, is enough. I don't see it as 'guys can't fuck other guys' i see it as 'yeah you can fuck other guys, but i dont wanna know'. In the same way i dont wanna know about most peoples kinky shit. Im the kinda person that sees two dudes kissing and looks the fuck away, i dont yell abuse, i dont confront them, i just don't look. So if their lifestyle is defendable because they don't harm anyone, unlike a rapist or a paedophile, why isn't my view of just not wanting to know, causing no harm, defendable, unlike a homophobe? The reason i seem to focus on what they do in bed an not other shit is because thats the part that invokes a bigger reaction, i can see two dudes holding hands or some shit and not look away because its not that big a deal. The same way some people hate seeing PDA in general and don't like talking about sex at all.
I never said all gay guys do is talk about gay sex and other gay shit, i said those are the ones i avoid, and they do exist e.g the fairies at the front of a gay parade wearing shit that should only be found in a girls clothing store and dancing like they're trying to pay their way through college at the same time as cheerleading, and talk the exact same way. Would they be doing that if they wern't gay? Almost definately not, so to me thats a person whose sexual preference is their most prominant personality trait. The rest, that like you said, make you double take when you hear they're gay, i can have a conversation with, but the second they bring up gay shit, if they do, im changing topic. Just like i do if someone starts talking about tennis, golf, the big bang theory (the show or the event) or chuck norris (you know its all about Bruce Lee, no question). It's not that i hate gay people, and i can understand how me not 'agreeing' with gayness could offend people, but shit, if you don't offend anyone, you don't have any opinions. I can accept being called a bit of a cunt about it, but im not a homophobe or a complete cunt. In fact, if this discussion had been just posts about 'killing all gays' and 'battering frank ocean' id be on your side of the argument, because that thought process is retarded. But, i got in here second and it didn't go that way, so im sat here in the middle of both sides doing 360's with a minigun.

Siikez said:

Lmao yeah I get where you're coming from, but alot of people have the misconception that if a dude is gay, he's suddenly going to rant about having intercourse with dudes, or that somehow for some reason they would become a part of their sexlife and are affected by it. I've met a few gay and and not a single one has even expressed their interest men, and if someone hadn't told me they were gay I wouldn't have known. It's just hand in hand with racism and sexism because it's not something that person can change, sexism = degrading someone for having the opposite genitals to you. racism = hating someone for having different coloured skin to you. Homophobia = hating someone because they have interest in the opposite gender that you do. I know you know the meanings and agree, I'm just trying to show how there's really no need to disagree with the sexlife of somebody that doesn't affect you, unless it's something like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia (like BMF was trying to compare homosexuality to) which is actually wrong because the child/animal/dead person doesn't agree to what's happening. Anyway why is all the negativity generated by what they do in the bedroom? But yeah I would definitely not want to partake in gay activity, but then again that's not even being put on the table as a result of other people being gay lol. Do I disagree with homosexual acts as far as to say I don't want to be involved in it? Yes, as much as I don't want to be involved in BDSM or eating broccoli. But do I disagree that gay dudes can get married, love who they wana love and keep what they do together private like the average man? Nooope, that would be bigoted. I don't think you're an asshole because I don't think you're a homophobe, I just think you haven't done enough research on it (no offense meant at all, it's just a topic that demands complete understanding). 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Yeah I fully understand that and agree with it, I was just responding to the fact that if I don't get it/agree with it im an asshole. All im saying is people are different, im not gonna be a cunt about it but that doesn't mean im gonna act like i dont have my own opinions. To me being black/white/asian/whatever is different, being of a certain colour doesn't mean that person has 'racial actions', sure different races do have differences but so do people of the same race from different countries. Being gay means that at some point your dick has been in another mans orifices, i dont hate you for it, but i dont wanna be around it. I've never had any gay friends so i have no idea how i would act, but say if I said 'I dont wanna hear about your buttfucking' i dont see that as a problem. Id be fine with doing the same for them. I mean some people like shitting on people/being shit on, i dont wanna hear about that either. Obviously there is a difference cause being gay is a choice whereas fetish type shit is more of a compulsion or whatever. Call me whatever you want, but that conversation topic makes me want to dryheave and stab my ears with samurai swords, and really, id  feel rude doing that infront of them, so why not avoid it? Most people have enough of a personality to manage a conversation without bringing up fucking anyway, and if you cant, id find you boring anyway.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on July 8, 2012 at 4:13pm

Thats what im saying, its not as much the fact they're gay that bothers me, its the more gay-centric personalities. Like, im not talking gay people, im talking the camp motherfuckers. Id happily see them removed from society, not because they're gay, they're just annoying as fuck. I don't know though, Rasta was definately referring to me, he did everything but quote me loool.

Siikez said:

Lolol yeah I think you somehow got caught in the cross fire, you're not the homophobe people are referring to, that was BottledMindFrame. Like you, I don't wana see two dudes make out, no straight person does. Because that's just not what we want to see lol. Two girls? Sure, popcorn on the house. That isn't homophobia at all. I don't know, I've never really met a gay dude that just brings up gay stuff with straight friends, I'm sure they're more aware not to do so. But then again that's a bit of a generalisation lol. So I'm sure some gay dudes might be like that... but it's not a pandemic lol, I'd call that dislike of personality. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I know enough about homosexuality to form my own opinion and back it up, which for me, is enough. I don't see it as 'guys can't fuck other guys' i see it as 'yeah you can fuck other guys, but i dont wanna know'. In the same way i dont wanna know about most peoples kinky shit. Im the kinda person that sees two dudes kissing and looks the fuck away, i dont yell abuse, i dont confront them, i just don't look. So if their lifestyle is defendable because they don't harm anyone, unlike a rapist or a paedophile, why isn't my view of just not wanting to know, causing no harm, defendable, unlike a homophobe? The reason i seem to focus on what they do in bed an not other shit is because thats the part that invokes a bigger reaction, i can see two dudes holding hands or some shit and not look away because its not that big a deal. The same way some people hate seeing PDA in general and don't like talking about sex at all.
I never said all gay guys do is talk about gay sex and other gay shit, i said those are the ones i avoid, and they do exist e.g the fairies at the front of a gay parade wearing shit that should only be found in a girls clothing store and dancing like they're trying to pay their way through college at the same time as cheerleading, and talk the exact same way. Would they be doing that if they wern't gay? Almost definately not, so to me thats a person whose sexual preference is their most prominant personality trait. The rest, that like you said, make you double take when you hear they're gay, i can have a conversation with, but the second they bring up gay shit, if they do, im changing topic. Just like i do if someone starts talking about tennis, golf, the big bang theory (the show or the event) or chuck norris (you know its all about Bruce Lee, no question). It's not that i hate gay people, and i can understand how me not 'agreeing' with gayness could offend people, but shit, if you don't offend anyone, you don't have any opinions. I can accept being called a bit of a cunt about it, but im not a homophobe or a complete cunt. In fact, if this discussion had been just posts about 'killing all gays' and 'battering frank ocean' id be on your side of the argument, because that thought process is retarded. But, i got in here second and it didn't go that way, so im sat here in the middle of both sides doing 360's with a minigun.

Siikez said:

Lmao yeah I get where you're coming from, but alot of people have the misconception that if a dude is gay, he's suddenly going to rant about having intercourse with dudes, or that somehow for some reason they would become a part of their sexlife and are affected by it. I've met a few gay and and not a single one has even expressed their interest men, and if someone hadn't told me they were gay I wouldn't have known. It's just hand in hand with racism and sexism because it's not something that person can change, sexism = degrading someone for having the opposite genitals to you. racism = hating someone for having different coloured skin to you. Homophobia = hating someone because they have interest in the opposite gender that you do. I know you know the meanings and agree, I'm just trying to show how there's really no need to disagree with the sexlife of somebody that doesn't affect you, unless it's something like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia (like BMF was trying to compare homosexuality to) which is actually wrong because the child/animal/dead person doesn't agree to what's happening. Anyway why is all the negativity generated by what they do in the bedroom? But yeah I would definitely not want to partake in gay activity, but then again that's not even being put on the table as a result of other people being gay lol. Do I disagree with homosexual acts as far as to say I don't want to be involved in it? Yes, as much as I don't want to be involved in BDSM or eating broccoli. But do I disagree that gay dudes can get married, love who they wana love and keep what they do together private like the average man? Nooope, that would be bigoted. I don't think you're an asshole because I don't think you're a homophobe, I just think you haven't done enough research on it (no offense meant at all, it's just a topic that demands complete understanding). 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Yeah I fully understand that and agree with it, I was just responding to the fact that if I don't get it/agree with it im an asshole. All im saying is people are different, im not gonna be a cunt about it but that doesn't mean im gonna act like i dont have my own opinions. To me being black/white/asian/whatever is different, being of a certain colour doesn't mean that person has 'racial actions', sure different races do have differences but so do people of the same race from different countries. Being gay means that at some point your dick has been in another mans orifices, i dont hate you for it, but i dont wanna be around it. I've never had any gay friends so i have no idea how i would act, but say if I said 'I dont wanna hear about your buttfucking' i dont see that as a problem. Id be fine with doing the same for them. I mean some people like shitting on people/being shit on, i dont wanna hear about that either. Obviously there is a difference cause being gay is a choice whereas fetish type shit is more of a compulsion or whatever. Call me whatever you want, but that conversation topic makes me want to dryheave and stab my ears with samurai swords, and really, id  feel rude doing that infront of them, so why not avoid it? Most people have enough of a personality to manage a conversation without bringing up fucking anyway, and if you cant, id find you boring anyway.

Siikez said:

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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