Frank Ocean Confesses Sexuality

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Permalink Reply by Charles Weis on July 6, 2012 at 9:32am

yeah, a lot of my friends when I came out were like "ohh shit, I won't say faggot or shit like that, sorry dude" I'm like "it's cool man, it's just a colloquialism that our generation uses, so it doesn't bother me." like u said, calling someone a fag doesn't mean you're homophobic, hell, every once in awhile a friend'll be like "damn, *some piece of bad news*" 'n I'll be like "that's gay" lol, I mean, I think it's probably best that that's not the word people use as an insult, I can't go around calling my friend niggers and expect people to not think I'm racist, even if I'm not. So, although it doesn't necessarily make someone bigoted it doesn't help them if they try to make the opposite case. I think the Siikez shrine was hilarious though lolololol. Idk, part of me doesn't even think this thread is necessary, on the other hand, I think it's good to weed out who's got a decent head on their shoulders 'n who's stuck in the past century on this issue. I'm shocked BMF was the only one with the kind of position he has, kinda surprised more people aren't spewing hate lol, but even what BMF was fairly benign compared to the way some people are.

Siikez said:

Yeah good timing lolol. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed to know your feelings more than you do, he even said he wouldn't have a relationship with his future son if he was gay. Yeah I've studied natural selection, evolution, instinct and genetics, tried explaining it all to him but he doesn't understand. And thinks that it's a single gene with that needs to be passed. Which I guess means he doesn't believe in children that are born with brown hair while their parents have blonde hair lol. I've asked him when he chose to be straight aswell, he said he never had to and that it was genetic and "that's how it is for everybody unless they choose to be gay". As far as him saying I'm homophobic for calling straight people that I'm arguing with "fag", to me it's the same as if I'm calling him a bitch, I don't hate women or gay people. I just know he wouldn't like to be called one lmao. 

Charles Weis said:

thanks, lol yeah, well I mean, it's understandable people wouldn't know, people just assume someone else is straight 'til they have reason to think otherwise, 'n there's not really a reason to come out on the forums just randomly, but I think it fit here, to help and make a point haha. I mean, I don't care if I get called a liar, but I don't think that'll be his response, I expect something more like "well, maybe it wasn't a choice for you, but it might be for others" which I think is at least a debatable point. But imo, if there's ever a choice, it's cuz the person is bi-sexual to some degree and is just making a preference, but I mean, I can't see where anyone ever made the choice to be straight or gay, idk, it just doesn't make any sense, I suppose we choose what foods we like as well. I know that's not the most equivalent comparison, I'm just saying. It's pretty much mapped out for us, I don't know why anyone would choose to be gay, like who would put up with the bigotry (although it applies to now as well, think about past generations here, like WAY back) and discrimination for that? 'n if it's a choice, can I just choose to be straight? I tried being straight, turns out, that doesn't work lol

Siikez said:

I did not know that, props for saying so in the face of his hate. And also for adding undeniable proof to my point of view that gay people do not choose their sexual orientation. Be prepared for him to call you a liar of some sort however. 

Charles Weis said:

wow, this thread got attention fast lol, I don't want to get into a huge debate, 'n I should probably read your replies after this first but do you really think homosexuality is a choice? I'm not gonna call you and idiot but wake up and enter the 21st century, if you think being gay is a choice tell me the day you woke up and chose to be straight. It's not something you choose, trust me, I'm gay lol. Especially as a guy, you don't need to make a choice, your dick will tell what you like and don't like. I didn't just wake up 'n go, "I think I'll like guys today, maybe girls for a week, and then back to guys for a couple months." It's like saying "I don't agree with you being black or hispanic, but it doesn't bother me so I'll let you live that way if you want" lol, I mean, I guess one of the only differences is you can't hide your race like you can sexuality

BottledMindFrame said:

FALSE

I logged off chat because I see no point in proceeding on with a pointless argument while getting flamed by four separate people who all share the same point of view. I'm not homophobic, are you heterophobic? Like I said earlier if the shoe fits then wear it. You didn't see me becoming offended that you support gays, I simply stated and stood by the fact I don't agree with you and believe it to be an unnatural choice. You're more immature than I already thought you were honestly. One on one debate you were left without much ground to stand on as neither point could be one-hundred percent proven and agreed to disagree. Once you had multiple people on chat willing to back you on your standpoint you proceeded to chastise me for my beliefs. That just proves my point that you're unintelligent and fake. Say what you will, I could care less. If someone chooses to lead that lifestyle so be it, that doesn't mean I agree with their choice or condone their actions. Who really was slaughtered in this situation? In terms of how many people agreed with who... Sure feel free to say me. In terms of intelligence and intellectuality... I definitely served you the coldest dish of reality with a pimp slap to match. Go to sleep with that.  

Siikez said:

Well that "debate in chat" ended in BMF getting slaughtered by several people for his homophobic views and he bailed. Lmao

#NUFFSAID

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on July 6, 2012 at 9:47am

Lmao yeah, I went with a religious friend to his "youth group" thing to see what it wass about, because I'm not religious, and in conversation a couple of times I said "for god sake" and "jesus dude" lmao I was like "shit I didn't mean it in vain O_O" but they laughed so it was chill. Yeah the Siikez Shrine killed me too lmaooo. At first I thought Jazz was trying to cause shit with this thread but then realised it was for the best, if it wasn't for this thread I would probably think BMF was a decent dude but now am glad to know what he's really about. I like to troll my ass off because it's the internet, like when I poke fun at America on an American website to my American friends lol, but as depicted in the Siikez Shrine, when I think people are genuinely upset with me I let them know in private chat I'm trolling so they don't go away feeling pissed off, because I'm not an ass in real life haha. I'm glad to see how few people there are like him though.

Charles Weis said:

yeah, a lot of my friends when I came out were like "ohh shit, I won't say faggot or shit like that, sorry dude" I'm like "it's cool man, it's just a colloquialism that our generation uses, so it doesn't bother me." like u said, calling someone a fag doesn't mean you're homophobic, hell, every once in awhile a friend'll be like "damn, *some piece of bad news*" 'n I'll be like "that's gay" lol, I mean, I think it's probably best that that's not the word people use as an insult, I can't go around calling my friend niggers and expect people to not think I'm racist, even if I'm not. So, although it doesn't necessarily make someone bigoted it doesn't help them if they try to make the opposite case. I think the Siikez shrine was hilarious though lolololol. Idk, part of me doesn't even think this thread is necessary, on the other hand, I think it's good to weed out who's got a decent head on their shoulders 'n who's stuck in the past century on this issue. I'm shocked BMF was the only one with the kind of position he has, kinda surprised more people aren't spewing hate lol, but even what BMF was fairly benign compared to the way some people are.

Siikez said:

Yeah good timing lolol. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed to know your feelings more than you do, he even said he wouldn't have a relationship with his future son if he was gay. Yeah I've studied natural selection, evolution, instinct and genetics, tried explaining it all to him but he doesn't understand. And thinks that it's a single gene with that needs to be passed. Which I guess means he doesn't believe in children that are born with brown hair while their parents have blonde hair lol. I've asked him when he chose to be straight aswell, he said he never had to and that it was genetic and "that's how it is for everybody unless they choose to be gay". As far as him saying I'm homophobic for calling straight people that I'm arguing with "fag", to me it's the same as if I'm calling him a bitch, I don't hate women or gay people. I just know he wouldn't like to be called one lmao. 

Charles Weis said:

thanks, lol yeah, well I mean, it's understandable people wouldn't know, people just assume someone else is straight 'til they have reason to think otherwise, 'n there's not really a reason to come out on the forums just randomly, but I think it fit here, to help and make a point haha. I mean, I don't care if I get called a liar, but I don't think that'll be his response, I expect something more like "well, maybe it wasn't a choice for you, but it might be for others" which I think is at least a debatable point. But imo, if there's ever a choice, it's cuz the person is bi-sexual to some degree and is just making a preference, but I mean, I can't see where anyone ever made the choice to be straight or gay, idk, it just doesn't make any sense, I suppose we choose what foods we like as well. I know that's not the most equivalent comparison, I'm just saying. It's pretty much mapped out for us, I don't know why anyone would choose to be gay, like who would put up with the bigotry (although it applies to now as well, think about past generations here, like WAY back) and discrimination for that? 'n if it's a choice, can I just choose to be straight? I tried being straight, turns out, that doesn't work lol

Siikez said:

I did not know that, props for saying so in the face of his hate. And also for adding undeniable proof to my point of view that gay people do not choose their sexual orientation. Be prepared for him to call you a liar of some sort however. 

Charles Weis said:

wow, this thread got attention fast lol, I don't want to get into a huge debate, 'n I should probably read your replies after this first but do you really think homosexuality is a choice? I'm not gonna call you and idiot but wake up and enter the 21st century, if you think being gay is a choice tell me the day you woke up and chose to be straight. It's not something you choose, trust me, I'm gay lol. Especially as a guy, you don't need to make a choice, your dick will tell what you like and don't like. I didn't just wake up 'n go, "I think I'll like guys today, maybe girls for a week, and then back to guys for a couple months." It's like saying "I don't agree with you being black or hispanic, but it doesn't bother me so I'll let you live that way if you want" lol, I mean, I guess one of the only differences is you can't hide your race like you can sexuality

BottledMindFrame said:

FALSE

I logged off chat because I see no point in proceeding on with a pointless argument while getting flamed by four separate people who all share the same point of view. I'm not homophobic, are you heterophobic? Like I said earlier if the shoe fits then wear it. You didn't see me becoming offended that you support gays, I simply stated and stood by the fact I don't agree with you and believe it to be an unnatural choice. You're more immature than I already thought you were honestly. One on one debate you were left without much ground to stand on as neither point could be one-hundred percent proven and agreed to disagree. Once you had multiple people on chat willing to back you on your standpoint you proceeded to chastise me for my beliefs. That just proves my point that you're unintelligent and fake. Say what you will, I could care less. If someone chooses to lead that lifestyle so be it, that doesn't mean I agree with their choice or condone their actions. Who really was slaughtered in this situation? In terms of how many people agreed with who... Sure feel free to say me. In terms of intelligence and intellectuality... I definitely served you the coldest dish of reality with a pimp slap to match. Go to sleep with that.  

Siikez said:

Well that "debate in chat" ended in BMF getting slaughtered by several people for his homophobic views and he bailed. Lmao

#NUFFSAID

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 6, 2012 at 9:58am

Probably a safe move lockin up hes probably outside ur window

Siikez said:

Yeee, I don't know whether to celebrate or be scared though lmao. *locks windows and doors*

Ryan said:

Congradulations, that means you've made it!!!

Siikez said:

I have my first Stan lmao

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on July 6, 2012 at 10:03am

Ryan said:

Probably a safe move lockin up hes probably outside ur window

Siikez said:

Yeee, I don't know whether to celebrate or be scared though lmao. *locks windows and doors*

Ryan said:

Congradulations, that means you've made it!!!

Siikez said:

I have my first Stan lmao

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on July 6, 2012 at 2:29pm

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person they're with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male, or cant go a minute without talking about their sexual preference, eg. in your face HEY IM GAY attitudes. Its just a sexual preferance, get over it... I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on July 6, 2012 at 2:44pm

It's more about the people that hate on gay people just because they're gay, there's a difference between not seeing why somebody would want to (because 99-100% of us straight people can't see why they want to) and expressing hatred for them doing so. It pretty much boils down to the fact that it's scientifically proven that it isn't a choice and is widely accepted as so, and to disagree and hate on something that isn't a choice about somebody as a person can be compared to sexism and racism. Which is why homophobia is looked down on. In todays society with our understanding and acceptance of equality you can't exactly have an opinion on why you think they way someone literally "is" as wrong because that's considered hate speech. Most countries don't condone it, some have varied laws against it but it's generally looked down on by most places, as it should be. It's like saying "I have the right to my opinion that black people are worthless slaves", I'm sorry but no you don't. Nobody should have the right to hate speech, even more so if it doesn't effect them at all. I've always been confused by why people would want to defend the right to hate speech though. There's really no need for it, even if it's allowed in your country. 

Not addressing you as one of those people that are homophobic/racist/sexist by the way lol. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Could've just quoted me considering i said everything you just disagreed with...
I personally don't get why I can't disagree with someone being gay, i already said its their personal choice and doesn't affect anyone but themself and the person their with so... Someone being gay doesn't change how i treat them, but i still dont think dudes should be fucking other dudes. Really don't see why thats a big deal. It's like how i could chill with a vegetarian, i personally don't see how a person can live without bacon in their life but do whatever you like. And me comparing vegetarianism and homosexuality should show how little of a fuck i give about either issue. Like i said, how come your allowed your opinion that doesnt affect anyone, but im not allowed my opinion that doesnt affect anyone?

By revolving your life around being gay i mean the fact that some people fail to realise you can be gay and still be male. I cant stand camp/overly gay people, not because they fuck dudes, but because they look/act/talk in a way id rather not be around. Its the same as me not wanting to hang around most goths/emos/pretty boys simply because they aren't my type of people. I forgot that nowadays you have to love all the diversity the world offers but id still much rather accept there is diversity but appreciate my little part of it more than the rest. That doesn't mean i wont talk or chill with different people, i do have mates that are different to whatever stereotype i fit into, and it doesn't mean im gonna discriminate against other people because of their differences. Its like, theres no middleground anymore, either your a bigoted peice of shit or you have to be completely accepting of everyone, absorbing everyone elses lifestyles into your opinion on the world. Fuck that, id rather sit in the middle of it all. I got my opinons, other people have got theirs, but sadly, because mine might offend someone i get hated on because of them. So much for being open-minded.

King Rasta said:

Lol @ everybody who doesn't "agree" with his lifestyle. Like there's fucking anything to agree about. "I'm not a bigot/homophobe/gay-basher or anything but, I don't agree with his personal choices that only affect him and the person he's with, only because they conflict with my own personal choices." That is absolutely retarded. And basing their whole life around being gay? How so? By fighting for gay rights? By going to gay clubs? LOLWUT? A few of you guys have gone down a few pegs in terms of respect. Holy shit.

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Permalink Reply by RedNose003 on July 6, 2012 at 3:35pm

i support the dude! i really could give a fuck if someone is gay or not...i like women, ocean likes men and women..does that affect me? hell no it doesnt..unless a dude is tryna finger my ass, i dont have a problem with gay and bi dudes. 

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Permalink Reply by Vin Detta on July 6, 2012 at 3:55pm

See? Most of us rap fans don't hate gay people Jazzman. Told you. :P

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Permalink Reply by RedNose003 on July 6, 2012 at 3:57pm

jazzmans just a joke

Vin Detta said:

See? Most of us rap fans don't hate gay people Jazzman. Told you. :P

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Permalink Reply by Vin Detta on July 6, 2012 at 3:57pm

@Charles Hey man. That meme was priceless. LOL

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Permalink Reply by Death Chamberz Music on July 6, 2012 at 6:33pm

I don't have much respect for him as I think it's a marketing ploy. Next year he will win a GLAAD award  And will go platinum for sure

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Permalink Reply by Charles Weis on July 6, 2012 at 7:08pm

thanks haha

Vin Detta said:

@Charles Hey man. That meme was priceless. LOL

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