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Permalink Reply by matt meyer on July 23, 2012 at 2:57pm

@jake beighey,
Sorry I can't reply properly because there is a new mobile site that I can't seem to figure out..
But you can fuck off for calling people douche bags over a single opinion that literally hurt no one except you for some reason lol.
And what do you mean by you know what's going on out there? Lolwut that has nothing to do with what siikez was saying, unless you know all about the pros and cons involved in taking a bullet to the head vs. rotting in jail for a life time, you can just shut your uneducated mouth.

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Permalink Reply by Ice Cold on July 23, 2012 at 2:58pm

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Chief on July 23, 2012 at 4:50pm

In response to the idea that Officers should be UN-armed or we would be better off if they were : I figure that America has already passed the point of no return on the whole gun issue. The people of America know that Police Officers carry guns. The people of America have already witnessed multiple offenses where our protecting officers have opened fire and then later thought about their actions, we have all seen and heard about dirty cops, we have all seen videos of Police Officers using excessive force. Power Corrupts and back in the day when we (Americans) labelled people as Protecting Officers, and gave them Weaponry and Authority we set ourselves up for this kind of violence. 

Think about it like this :  We give Authority AND Weaponry to a group of people we call Police, over time these Police make their honest and dis-honest mistakes, people lose faith in the police forces and invest in their own protection weapons, and criminals invest in weapons to use force against police force..- Fast forward 50 years - now nearly every citizen owns a weapon making it a necessity for our officers to carry weaponry for their protection because the people have grown accustom to fighting back with the same amount of force that the officers once used. 

My point being that its too late now. 

Had we never allowed officers to use weapons maybe the country would have been less violence, but who is to say if that's true or not?  Taking away the weapons at this point would just lead to chaos especially at times when the Economy is so shitty. Officers will have to remained Armed and so will the people.

Ice Cold said:

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Charles Weis on July 23, 2012 at 6:04pm

Well, if that's where the numbers point then ok, but like I said before, there's probably not a system out there that's universal, but fine, I accept that I might have said some things that were inaccurate. If my previous source was outdated or just plain wrong then ok, I can face that I was misinformed. But, as I said, what works in some countries won't work here & vice versa, so my opinion for what this country should do, is regulate harder on certain aspects, such as background checks and getting rid of gun show loop holes, and ban access to military grade weaponry or at least make it extremely difficult (I understand ex-military servicemen being able to, but the average run of the mill citizen shouldn't have an AR-15 imo) because clearly our system isn't working, and I don't expect any system to work 100% of the time, that's crazy, but I think we can definitely improve in a lot of areas, including education about guns and education in general. unfortunately it's not all tied to one thing, which is why universal systems are hard to find, factors like a fear-mongering media make people have a higher demand for guns and makes them feel more paranoid, so, in a way, maybe more guns wouldn't be bad IF our culture wasn't so paranoid and out to kill each other and so right-wing oriented. Who knows, maybe I'm so anti-gun because I started to form my own views during tough economic times and during a few wars with an uneducated public when crime will naturally go up, so, overall, no, my opinion hasn't changed much, but don't be so quick to assume that everyone on the internet is a thickheaded motherfucker, on some things I am, but I understand that my views can and may be wrong, and my ego is enough in check to know there's nothing wrong with being wrong, being proven wrong just means you've been shown what's right. So, as I said, some of my info was accurate after double checking, fine, that's fair, and I hope we can reach middle ground in the stance that with the right variables, each of our ideas of what would work could be the solution, I just happen to think in our current state stricter control is necessary. As for the cop thing, like I said, certain scenarios would make certain systems work better, so I guess it's fair to say that with crime at the rate it is, maybe it's not terrible for cops to have guns because maybe it does save lives, in the state our country is currently in. But if we were in peaceful times with a good economy and a rational community, I don't think cops would need guns, maybe have weapons ready in an emergency but otherwise no.

Ice Cold said:

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Ice Cold on July 23, 2012 at 7:00pm

I agree. Back in the day, there was a tremendous amount of corruption, abuse of power, and excessive force. It is still prevalent in modern times as well. I personally believe that there have been dramatic changes to help reduce this. However, like I just said, I know it is still prevalent. The stories of misdeeds last decades and are engrained in the public's mind while noble and self sacrificing deeds are forgotten in moments. Earlier this month, I ran inside an apartment building and rescued two people who would have died if they were in there another minute (a propane tank exploded). Two days later, the guy came back to go through his apartment to see what property survived. Nobody was allowed to go in until it was cleared the next date. He cussed at me and left. In two days, he forgot that hed be dead if I hadnt pulled his passed out ass off of the couch but he will remember that I wouldnt let him inside the apartment for the rest of his life. I say all that to comment on one of your statements: "the people have grown accustom to fighting back with the same amount of force that the officers once used." Law enforcement is met with such resistance today because of those past misdeeds that will forever remain engrained in our minds. We have become better but we will always remain tarnished. Past and present transgressions by the few destroy what the majority of us try to accomplish. I plead for the day when its not necessary for me to carry firearms for fear of retaliation to something I had nothing to do with. But that day will never come.

Sorry for the rant. I just thought that was a very powerful statement.
Chief said:

In response to the idea that Officers should be UN-armed or we would be better off if they were : I figure that America has already passed the point of no return on the whole gun issue. The people of America know that Police Officers carry guns. The people of America have already witnessed multiple offenses where our protecting officers have opened fire and then later thought about their actions, we have all seen and heard about dirty cops, we have all seen videos of Police Officers using excessive force. Power Corrupts and back in the day when we (Americans) labelled people as Protecting Officers, and gave them Weaponry and Authority we set ourselves up for this kind of violence.

Think about it like this :  We give Authority AND Weaponry to a group of people we call Police, over time these Police make their honest and dis-honest mistakes, people lose faith in the police forces and invest in their own protection weapons, and criminals invest in weapons to use force against police force..- Fast forward 50 years - now nearly every citizen owns a weapon making it a necessity for our officers to carry weaponry for their protection because the people have grown accustom to fighting back with the same amount of force that the officers once used.

My point being that its too late now. 

Had we never allowed officers to use weapons maybe the country would have been less violence, but who is to say if that's true or not?  Taking away the weapons at this point would just lead to chaos especially at times when the Economy is so shitty. Officers will have to remained Armed and so will the people.

Ice Cold said:

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Ice Cold on July 23, 2012 at 7:19pm

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of the last sentence, but thats just going to be where we have our own opinions. Better gun education, training, screening, and regulations are all necessities that we are flat out failing on and I believe it costs way too many people their lives. Im not a gun nut. I have firearms for protecting myself and third parties but Im also thoroughly trained in all of them. I personally dont believe guns are the problem. Its the uneducated and untrained individuals who have them because they think theyre cool and the lack of gun regulations.
Charles Weis said:

Well, if that's where the numbers point then ok, but like I said before, there's probably not a system out there that's universal, but fine, I accept that I might have said some things that were inaccurate. If my previous source was outdated or just plain wrong then ok, I can face that I was misinformed. But, as I said, what works in some countries won't work here & vice versa, so my opinion for what this country should do, is regulate harder on certain aspects, such as background checks and getting rid of gun show loop holes, and ban access to military grade weaponry or at least make it extremely difficult (I understand ex-military servicemen being able to, but the average run of the mill citizen shouldn't have an AR-15 imo) because clearly our system isn't working, and I don't expect any system to work 100% of the time, that's crazy, but I think we can definitely improve in a lot of areas, including education about guns and education in general. unfortunately it's not all tied to one thing, which is why universal systems are hard to find, factors like a fear-mongering media make people have a higher demand for guns and makes them feel more paranoid, so, in a way, maybe more guns wouldn't be bad IF our culture wasn't so paranoid and out to kill each other and so right-wing oriented. Who knows, maybe I'm so anti-gun because I started to form my own views during tough economic times and during a few wars with an uneducated public when crime will naturally go up, so, overall, no, my opinion hasn't changed much, but don't be so quick to assume that everyone on the internet is a thickheaded motherfucker, on some things I am, but I understand that my views can and may be wrong, and my ego is enough in check to know there's nothing wrong with being wrong, being proven wrong just means you've been shown what's right. So, as I said, some of my info was accurate after double checking, fine, that's fair, and I hope we can reach middle ground in the stance that with the right variables, each of our ideas of what would work could be the solution, I just happen to think in our current state stricter control is necessary. As for the cop thing, like I said, certain scenarios would make certain systems work better, so I guess it's fair to say that with crime at the rate it is, maybe it's not terrible for cops to have guns because maybe it does save lives, in the state our country is currently in. But if we were in peaceful times with a good economy and a rational community, I don't think cops would need guns, maybe have weapons ready in an emergency but otherwise no.

Ice Cold said:

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Turbine on July 23, 2012 at 7:45pm

Your Country's fucked..
Your answer to fixing the problem is more guns.. lol

The problem with your country is the guns.

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Permalink Reply by Charles Weis on July 23, 2012 at 7:56pm

ohh yeah, I totally agree untrained individuals is a big problem, which is one reason why I think regulations should be stricter, I think if you want a gun you should have to know how to clean it, use it properly, maybe take courses etc. before you can own it. I mean seriously, you need a license to drive a car but at gun shows in certain states you can obtain a firearm as long as you have the money, no background check, no ID. But as you said, we're gonna disagree on some stuff, 'n that's cool. I guess it just bothers me that, unlike other weapons, you can kill so many more people with better efficiency quickly from a safe distance. I'd like to see that Aurora shooter clown or the Columbine kids try to pull those stunts with a switchblade (ok, maybe you could pull that off in a movie theater, being dark and all) but overall it's the lethality of firearms in particular that make me think there should be a lot of hoops to jump through to get them, I'm not saying you can't kill or harm a lot people other ways, but it sure is made a lot easier with an assault rifle. but yeah, agree to disagree

Ice Cold said:

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of the last sentence, but thats just going to be where we have our own opinions. Better gun education, training, screening, and regulations are all necessities that we are flat out failing on and I believe it costs way too many people their lives. Im not a gun nut. I have firearms for protecting myself and third parties but Im also thoroughly trained in all of them. I personally dont believe guns are the problem. Its the uneducated and untrained individuals who have them because they think theyre cool and the lack of gun regulations.
Charles Weis said:

Well, if that's where the numbers point then ok, but like I said before, there's probably not a system out there that's universal, but fine, I accept that I might have said some things that were inaccurate. If my previous source was outdated or just plain wrong then ok, I can face that I was misinformed. But, as I said, what works in some countries won't work here & vice versa, so my opinion for what this country should do, is regulate harder on certain aspects, such as background checks and getting rid of gun show loop holes, and ban access to military grade weaponry or at least make it extremely difficult (I understand ex-military servicemen being able to, but the average run of the mill citizen shouldn't have an AR-15 imo) because clearly our system isn't working, and I don't expect any system to work 100% of the time, that's crazy, but I think we can definitely improve in a lot of areas, including education about guns and education in general. unfortunately it's not all tied to one thing, which is why universal systems are hard to find, factors like a fear-mongering media make people have a higher demand for guns and makes them feel more paranoid, so, in a way, maybe more guns wouldn't be bad IF our culture wasn't so paranoid and out to kill each other and so right-wing oriented. Who knows, maybe I'm so anti-gun because I started to form my own views during tough economic times and during a few wars with an uneducated public when crime will naturally go up, so, overall, no, my opinion hasn't changed much, but don't be so quick to assume that everyone on the internet is a thickheaded motherfucker, on some things I am, but I understand that my views can and may be wrong, and my ego is enough in check to know there's nothing wrong with being wrong, being proven wrong just means you've been shown what's right. So, as I said, some of my info was accurate after double checking, fine, that's fair, and I hope we can reach middle ground in the stance that with the right variables, each of our ideas of what would work could be the solution, I just happen to think in our current state stricter control is necessary. As for the cop thing, like I said, certain scenarios would make certain systems work better, so I guess it's fair to say that with crime at the rate it is, maybe it's not terrible for cops to have guns because maybe it does save lives, in the state our country is currently in. But if we were in peaceful times with a good economy and a rational community, I don't think cops would need guns, maybe have weapons ready in an emergency but otherwise no.

Ice Cold said:

Switzerland has the third most number of guns per capita and is not exactly known for a high crime rate. Canadians are right behind us in the number of long guns. Somalia is ranked 67th as the country with the most guns per person, a little far from a country where everybody is armed. In response to the people with guns in the theater would not have helped, the number of active shooters stopped by law enforcement and armed civilians is about the same. As far as the whole cops without guns theory, just offhand, I can think of four officers, that I personally know, who would be dead this month if they were unarmed.

Did any of this change your mind in even the slightest manner? Thats why I didnt even bother with explaining anything or why Im not going to spend more than three minutes typing this. Your opinion is not going to change so why should I try to show you that you are wrong? +1 Charlie
Charles Weis said:

that'd be nice if it weren't for the fact that I even said that it didn't prove anything. But it's true, it actually happens, imagine, a country with less guns is actually safer? I understand that that system may or may not work universally, 'n it probably wouldn't, maybe not even in most places, so please don't call me short sighted and ignorant, I used an example where less guns is actually a great thing, but I made sure to include that it's not something that would work all the time. I'm not even sure where the ignorance part comes in, usually when you work with facts you're the opposite of ignorant. But please, tell me why my response is "a bunch of anti-gun nonsense", surely you can actually provide reasons for your argument? I've been doing so. calling my "theory" absurd doesn't do anything to help your stance, you just sound like a middle schooler who, instead of coming back with a decent response that's thought out, you react with "Yeah, well, you're stupid" congrats, +1 Ice Cold
Ice Cold said:

Your cops not having guns argument has to be one of the most short sighted and ignorant theories Ive heard.

Charles Weis said:

A bunch of anti-gun nonsense

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Permalink Reply by Bloodstepp - Bass & Bubblegum on July 23, 2012 at 11:39pm

Im from Australia and although it is easy to get firearms anywhere on the black market, the fact we cant buy them direct from a local store means we have a dramatically lower firearm murder rate then the USA, so yes it would make a difference to ween America off it's firearm fetish, In the second amendment the right to keep and bear arms was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. Dont you think this law is a little out-dated and should be updated to modern society?

Australia: 59 Murders with firearms, population: 22,679,666 = 1 murder to every 384,401 people

USA: 9369 Murders with firearms, population 314,011,254 =  1 murder to every 35,515 people

USA has roughly 10 x more firearm murders in ratio than Australia due to the easy accessibility of firearms.

It will make a difference!!!

Alucard said:

The only problem is even if this were to happen it wouldn't matter. It's way to easy to obtain anything you want from anywhere in the world. 

Charles Weis said:

I think it's time we ween America off of it's firearm teet.

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Permalink Reply by Turbine on July 24, 2012 at 12:07am

Correct.

Bloodstepp - Bass & Bubblegum said:

Im from Australia and although it is easy to get firearms anywhere on the black market, the fact we cant buy them direct from a local store means we have a dramatically lower firearm murder rate then the USA, so yes it would make a difference to ween America off it's firearm fetish, In the second amendment the right to keep and bear arms was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. Dont you think this law is a little out-dated and should be updated to modern society?

Australia: 59 Murders with firearms, population: 22,679,666 = 1 murder to every 384,401 people

USA: 9369 Murders with firearms, population 314,011,254 =  1 murder to every 35,515 people

USA has roughly 10 x more firearm murders in ratio than Australia due to the easy accessibility of firearms.

It will make a difference!!!

Alucard said:

The only problem is even if this were to happen it wouldn't matter. It's way to easy to obtain anything you want from anywhere in the world. 

Charles Weis said:

I think it's time we ween America off of it's firearm teet.

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Permalink Reply by Alucard on July 24, 2012 at 12:23am

I understand what you're saying, but the point I'm trying to make is that the US is just to resourceful. I could call my buddy, who could call his buddy, who could get me a gun by tomorrow and having guns be illegal here wouldn't make doing that any harder.

Bloodstepp - Bass & Bubblegum said:

Im from Australia and although it is easy to get firearms anywhere on the black market, the fact we cant buy them direct from a local store means we have a dramatically lower firearm murder rate then the USA, so yes it would make a difference to ween America off it's firearm fetish, In the second amendment the right to keep and bear arms was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. Dont you think this law is a little out-dated and should be updated to modern society?

Australia: 59 Murders with firearms, population: 22,679,666 = 1 murder to every 384,401 people

USA: 9369 Murders with firearms, population 314,011,254 =  1 murder to every 35,515 people

USA has roughly 10 x more firearm murders in ratio than Australia due to the easy accessibility of firearms.

It will make a difference!!!

Alucard said:

The only problem is even if this were to happen it wouldn't matter. It's way to easy to obtain anything you want from anywhere in the world. 

Charles Weis said:

I think it's time we ween America off of it's firearm teet.

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Permalink Reply by Katastrofik303 on July 24, 2012 at 5:20am

"Get sprayed by the Tec-9 handgun now im on the outrun"

Droppin' and poppin' any punk that bucks up, bring a bodybag if ya wanna get fucked up!-Tech N9ne

"Uzi, a 12 gauge, it really dont matter,many suckas die when the shotgun scatter!"

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