So personally I am stoked. Obama isnt perfect and I pray he will be more aggressive with his agenda this time instead of trying to play so in the middle hoping for a second term. No candidate is perfect and I have plenty of problems with Obamas policies as well but Romney would have been the worst possible thing that could have happened to this country. The main reason Obama cant get anything done is because the Republicans wont let anything he want go through the House and Senate. Most importantly anyone who has a woman in their life that they love, be it a mom or wife, thank god that Romney/Ryan didnt win because their womans rights beliefs are fucking insane....one of the wosrt being Paul Ryans adamant position that under NO circumstance should a woman be allowed an abortion even if its a matter of life or death for the mother. I will stop ranting but just curious to others thoughts. This isnt usually a place for political convo but I figured today of all days maybe we could start one.

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lol the guns claim doesn't even hold weight when the fact of the matter is Obama has never even attempted to tighten up gun control, and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise

And when you talk the way Romney talks, and i'm saying this to keep it short, you have to realize it sets a standard and expectations for what policies are tolerable, as our whole system is based on compromise.

Chief said:

There are also tons and tons of legit rumors too...Like for example Obama taking away guns, we'll see if that ever happens.  There is so much speculation in politics.  Sorry about that bro, just after a month of reading Facebook posts "If you vote for Obama your retarded" "If you vote for Romney your retarded"  it's starting to get old.  I don't mean to offend and like i said i don't doubt you know your shit. You just can't claim your views are the correct ones and everybody else is retarded.  You also can't convince me that if Romney was elected he would have followed through with a 20% tax decrease across the board, or giving 2 trillion dollars to the military, or re-colonizing South America.  None of those are set in stone, until its written, its speculation.  He might have supported these ideas but does that mean that would have been the outcome of him being elected?? Hell Naw... goes both ways

a tie a said:

Rumors? Look at Romney's contributors, and use a little bit of common sense. politics is more than what they say, their records can't run from them.

There were also 'rumors' of the United States attacking Iraq during Bush Sr.'s term in office. And I don't mean Gulf War type attack, I mean the 2003 type Iraq. And you know what? That's when the rise of neo-cons started, and they were surrounding Bush's whole administration. But I suppose that was only a 'rumor' as well, so people shouldn't bother being worried about it

and I don't have a bias either, because I don't have any respect for Obama after he became elected for president, so pointing that out doesn't really mean much

I know right, god, Ties almost acting like it was some massive decision like who would have control over the whole country or something! wait..

Chief said:

Dude, your getting so worked up.  I read you post here but i don't see any facts.  Not saying you don't know what your talking about, but rather the politics don't know what they're talking about.  Its seriously just a bunch of bickering between political parties and to think you know what either one of those individuals wants to do or was going to do is some stupid shit.  Like i said i couldn't have cared less about who sits in that spot. So my opinion isn't bias.
  All I'm trying to get at is you can't come on here and say half the United States population is retarded for voting Romney (although about half of America is retarded) . You just can't and you also can't sit here and claim you know what Romney was going to do either because you don't know. You know how many rumors get thrown around during the election period? That's what the entire election process is about here in America.. Its about who can make the most appealing promises and who throws more shit on each other.  Presidents lie during election time and that's nothing new been like that from the beginning.  Plans that they have..? Those are never ever set and stone they will say one thing and completely have a different action.  That's all i was saying.  I get so sick of reading peoples political opinions like they're facts or some shit...They are no fucking facts until its written in the history books.

a tie a said:

You think I don't know that? I know Obama isn't going to fix jack (and I supported him in 2008), but to say Romney is a better alternative is absurd on countless levels.

it's common sense. Romney wants 20% tax decreases all across the board, and give 2 trillion dollars to our military. that ALONE makes no sense whatsoever. Not even Obama is making that kind of ridiculous decsision

Romney want to re-colonize South America, and doing so would turn out like the Middle East has. We've also tried this before back in the day when trying to put in our own people in positions in Brazil and I believe Argentina, and that failed miserably as well.

Romney is even more embedded in Wall Street than Obama is (All those major banks who supported Obama in 08 now went back and backed Romney, and those are the culprits of the global financial collapse due to regulatory failures), and Obama is the one who called Jamie Dimond the best banker in the world, during the scandal in which JP Morgan lost billions of dollars of customer money.

Just to name a few.

Chief said:

The same could be said about Obama a tie a.

Truth is neither of them would have fixed or ran this country into the ground.  You state your opinion like its a fact and it makes you sound childish bro.  I for one couldn't care less about who we elected because the person sitting in the chair makes no difference. Its the people and businesses in American that need to be making the difference.  Not the debate majors...

a tie a said:

people who think Romney would have helped this country are retards. 

lolololol

Siikez said:

I know right, god, Ties almost acting like it was some massive decision like who would have control over the whole country or something! wait..

Chief said:

Dude, your getting so worked up.  I read you post here but i don't see any facts.  Not saying you don't know what your talking about, but rather the politics don't know what they're talking about.  Its seriously just a bunch of bickering between political parties and to think you know what either one of those individuals wants to do or was going to do is some stupid shit.  Like i said i couldn't have cared less about who sits in that spot. So my opinion isn't bias.
  All I'm trying to get at is you can't come on here and say half the United States population is retarded for voting Romney (although about half of America is retarded) . You just can't and you also can't sit here and claim you know what Romney was going to do either because you don't know. You know how many rumors get thrown around during the election period? That's what the entire election process is about here in America.. Its about who can make the most appealing promises and who throws more shit on each other.  Presidents lie during election time and that's nothing new been like that from the beginning.  Plans that they have..? Those are never ever set and stone they will say one thing and completely have a different action.  That's all i was saying.  I get so sick of reading peoples political opinions like they're facts or some shit...They are no fucking facts until its written in the history books.

a tie a said:

You think I don't know that? I know Obama isn't going to fix jack (and I supported him in 2008), but to say Romney is a better alternative is absurd on countless levels.

it's common sense. Romney wants 20% tax decreases all across the board, and give 2 trillion dollars to our military. that ALONE makes no sense whatsoever. Not even Obama is making that kind of ridiculous decsision

Romney want to re-colonize South America, and doing so would turn out like the Middle East has. We've also tried this before back in the day when trying to put in our own people in positions in Brazil and I believe Argentina, and that failed miserably as well.

Romney is even more embedded in Wall Street than Obama is (All those major banks who supported Obama in 08 now went back and backed Romney, and those are the culprits of the global financial collapse due to regulatory failures), and Obama is the one who called Jamie Dimond the best banker in the world, during the scandal in which JP Morgan lost billions of dollars of customer money.

Just to name a few.

Chief said:

The same could be said about Obama a tie a.

Truth is neither of them would have fixed or ran this country into the ground.  You state your opinion like its a fact and it makes you sound childish bro.  I for one couldn't care less about who we elected because the person sitting in the chair makes no difference. Its the people and businesses in American that need to be making the difference.  Not the debate majors...

a tie a said:

people who think Romney would have helped this country are retards. 

Oh and I want to point out that when you see trends in the political system over a period of time, and candidates continue to advocate for those policies (ie tax breaks, foreign interventions, deregulation of large financial institutions  and all that), then you should expect to see those things happen if they are elected, because that's part of the status quo, so it's tolerable (even though it's obviously an outdated and detrimental policy in the examples I used). Seeing that and making calls based on those aren't 'rumors.' 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/8/gun-ban-back-on-obam...

Within a day of being re-elected Omaba started pushing the Gun Trade Treaty in the UN. There is the evidence to suggest otherwise. 
 
a tie a said:

lol the guns claim doesn't even hold weight when the fact of the matter is Obama has never even attempted to tighten up gun control, and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise

 

giant douche vs turd sandwich?

it's not affecting domestic gun owners. and The Washington Post is garbage, I don't know why you'd pull that out as a source. This is establishing a regulated arms trade, that's it. nobody is going to have their guns taken away 

Sean Schipper said:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/8/gun-ban-back-on-obam...

Within a day of being re-elected Omaba started pushing the Gun Trade Treaty in the UN. There is the evidence to suggest otherwise.

a tie a said:

lol the guns claim doesn't even hold weight when the fact of the matter is Obama has never even attempted to tighten up gun control, and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise

 

Just goes to show how many are politically unaware. Obama is not he greatest ever but far better than Romney.

on a lighter note though....I live in washington state. they have passed the marijuana laws for now. so much in fact that two counties, Pierce, and King, are releasing prisoners from the jail if they were in on marijuana charges, and dropping all charges on anyone with possession charges under 1 ounce. Both counties have some of the biggest cities and are most populated areas in all of washington. we are aloud to have up to 40 grams on us without a green card.

and there is the instant signs of improvement in the state. less money being wasted on people who are locked up for really doing nothing.

S3AN™ said:

on a lighter note though....I live in washington state. they have passed the marijuana laws for now. so much in fact that two counties, Pierce, and King, are releasing prisoners from the jail if they were in on marijuana charges, and dropping all charges on anyone with possession charges under 1 ounce. Both counties have some of the biggest cities and are most populated areas in all of washington. we are aloud to have up to 40 grams on us without a green card.

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