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Permalink Reply by ThatOneGuy on -
Regardless of how he tried to word it, it's still a contradiction. That's like saying I love water but hate H2O. It's all inevitably the same thing. Plus he tried to speak religiously multiple times, but he still lived the thug life and always downgraded women calling them bitches and hoes after he made a song saying we need to respect them. If any other rapper would have done that, it'd be the end of the world, but oh no, not with Pac. He always tried to be inspirational and uplifting then just throw that out the window and come back saying fuck women, suck my dick, yous a bitch, and all of that.
indagame9 said:in a documentary he said that he made those two songs to show 1)strong women like his mom and sister and 2)women that make themselves like people. the example he gave was he walked past a girl in the club and she looked at him and didn't say anything but then someone told her that was tupac and then she was interested in him i'm sure about the first one the second one i can't quite remember the way he worded but along those lines
ThatOneGuy said:Pac himself was associated with the Pirus (Bloods) gang, rival of the Crips, and I know not everyone will like a rapper, but I'm just saying he wasn't really anything to brag about. Here's how he contradicted himself: In his song, "Keep Your Head Up," his lyrics are actually nice "I wonder why we take from our women/why we rape our women, do we hate our women?/I think it’s time to kill for our women/time to heal our women, be real to our women." But on his same exact album only a couple of tracks later on a song titled, "I Get Around," he says, "Back to get wreck/all respect to those who break they neck/To keep they hos in check/’Cuz, hos, they sweat a brotha majorly and I don’t know why, your girl keeps pagin me." If that's not a contradiction, then I don't know what is.
Ice Cold said:I dont see how he contradicted himself but whatever. I think that it was a crip that did it but not for something gang related. Not everybody is going to like a rapper.
ThatOneGuy said:I was around, but I just never understood why he was so big, I think people overreacted to him. Yeah he rapped about real life situations, but his raps were never really that good. Plus he completely contradicting himself in a lot of songs. Plus, wasn't his death gang related? It'd almost be like Larry Hoover rapping about global warming and the government, then be shot and killed and have everyone act like he was such an inspiration. People often think my tone on this is anger, but it's really not. I give him props that he had such a successful life, but it's his fan base that I don't really understand and/or agree with.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by Sladan on
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neither artist is better than the other. both are unique and brought something different to the game
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Permalink Reply by Vlad on -
You got it twisted man, everybody knows that there are hoes. You can't deny that, some chicks are just whores and do anything for money. Pac had the femanist movement up against him and thats why he wrote "wonder why they call you bitch ", if you actually took a few minutes and listened youd understand. He grew up around nothing but females so he has respect for them, but some women just choose a whorish lifestyle and roll with it. That's the women he was refering to.
ThatOneGuy said:Regardless of how he tried to word it, it's still a contradiction. That's like saying I love water but hate H2O. It's all inevitably the same thing. Plus he tried to speak religiously multiple times, but he still lived the thug life and always downgraded women calling them bitches and hoes after he made a song saying we need to respect them. If any other rapper would have done that, it'd be the end of the world, but oh no, not with Pac. He always tried to be inspirational and uplifting then just throw that out the window and come back saying fuck women, suck my dick, yous a bitch, and all of that.
indagame9 said:in a documentary he said that he made those two songs to show 1)strong women like his mom and sister and 2)women that make themselves like people. the example he gave was he walked past a girl in the club and she looked at him and didn't say anything but then someone told her that was tupac and then she was interested in him i'm sure about the first one the second one i can't quite remember the way he worded but along those lines
ThatOneGuy said:Pac himself was associated with the Pirus (Bloods) gang, rival of the Crips, and I know not everyone will like a rapper, but I'm just saying he wasn't really anything to brag about. Here's how he contradicted himself: In his song, "Keep Your Head Up," his lyrics are actually nice "I wonder why we take from our women/why we rape our women, do we hate our women?/I think it’s time to kill for our women/time to heal our women, be real to our women." But on his same exact album only a couple of tracks later on a song titled, "I Get Around," he says, "Back to get wreck/all respect to those who break they neck/To keep they hos in check/’Cuz, hos, they sweat a brotha majorly and I don’t know why, your girl keeps pagin me." If that's not a contradiction, then I don't know what is.
Ice Cold said:I dont see how he contradicted himself but whatever. I think that it was a crip that did it but not for something gang related. Not everybody is going to like a rapper.
ThatOneGuy said:I was around, but I just never understood why he was so big, I think people overreacted to him. Yeah he rapped about real life situations, but his raps were never really that good. Plus he completely contradicting himself in a lot of songs. Plus, wasn't his death gang related? It'd almost be like Larry Hoover rapping about global warming and the government, then be shot and killed and have everyone act like he was such an inspiration. People often think my tone on this is anger, but it's really not. I give him props that he had such a successful life, but it's his fan base that I don't really understand and/or agree with.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by ThatOneGuy on
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I do understand. Yeah some women do live a whorish life style, but his lyrics in some songs tell women to do a lot of shit. Just because a girl chooses to live that way doesn't mean you should bash them. It doesn't mean that you get to tell them to suck your dick and everything and then have it be okay. Just because SOME women live like that doesn't mean you categorize the whole gender as that. That'd be like me saying, "Oh have respect for Tech N9ne, then saying "all rap sucks, how could you listen to that kind of music? It's awful." It's a complete contradiction. People just need to stop overrating him. He's an average rapper. Good at times, but average at most.
Vlad said:You got it twisted man, everybody knows that there are hoes. You can't deny that, some chicks are just whores and do anything for money. Pac had the femanist movement up against him and thats why he wrote "wonder why they call you bitch ", if you actually took a few minutes and listened youd understand. He grew up around nothing but females so he has respect for them, but some women just choose a whorish lifestyle and roll with it. That's the women he was refering to.
ThatOneGuy said:Regardless of how he tried to word it, it's still a contradiction. That's like saying I love water but hate H2O. It's all inevitably the same thing. Plus he tried to speak religiously multiple times, but he still lived the thug life and always downgraded women calling them bitches and hoes after he made a song saying we need to respect them. If any other rapper would have done that, it'd be the end of the world, but oh no, not with Pac. He always tried to be inspirational and uplifting then just throw that out the window and come back saying fuck women, suck my dick, yous a bitch, and all of that.
indagame9 said:in a documentary he said that he made those two songs to show 1)strong women like his mom and sister and 2)women that make themselves like people. the example he gave was he walked past a girl in the club and she looked at him and didn't say anything but then someone told her that was tupac and then she was interested in him i'm sure about the first one the second one i can't quite remember the way he worded but along those lines
ThatOneGuy said:Pac himself was associated with the Pirus (Bloods) gang, rival of the Crips, and I know not everyone will like a rapper, but I'm just saying he wasn't really anything to brag about. Here's how he contradicted himself: In his song, "Keep Your Head Up," his lyrics are actually nice "I wonder why we take from our women/why we rape our women, do we hate our women?/I think it’s time to kill for our women/time to heal our women, be real to our women." But on his same exact album only a couple of tracks later on a song titled, "I Get Around," he says, "Back to get wreck/all respect to those who break they neck/To keep they hos in check/’Cuz, hos, they sweat a brotha majorly and I don’t know why, your girl keeps pagin me." If that's not a contradiction, then I don't know what is.
Ice Cold said:I dont see how he contradicted himself but whatever. I think that it was a crip that did it but not for something gang related. Not everybody is going to like a rapper.
ThatOneGuy said:I was around, but I just never understood why he was so big, I think people overreacted to him. Yeah he rapped about real life situations, but his raps were never really that good. Plus he completely contradicting himself in a lot of songs. Plus, wasn't his death gang related? It'd almost be like Larry Hoover rapping about global warming and the government, then be shot and killed and have everyone act like he was such an inspiration. People often think my tone on this is anger, but it's really not. I give him props that he had such a successful life, but it's his fan base that I don't really understand and/or agree with.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by Smart Went Crazy on
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I say tech. I tried listening to Pac but I haven't liked his music.
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Permalink Reply by Steve-o on -
I agree with everything you said I've been listening to Pac for years and he has definitely made a huge impact.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by indagame9 on -
as the listener you have to know who that artist is as a person to understand who he's talking about, for example even after i first heard of tech i took me about a month(after i watched a bunch of interviews) to understand songs like red nose(which is my favorite song now) and who talks about in certain songs.. basically what vlad about the certain women. plus he was sued by a women for sexual assault and you don't really know what happened so he could just be expressing his anger at women like that. also bitch can refer to a guy.i don't wanna keep doing this cuz i don't want it to turn into an argument so unless you have a question this the last thing i'm going to write.
ThatOneGuy said:I do understand. Yeah some women do live a whorish life style, but his lyrics in some songs tell women to do a lot of shit. Just because a girl chooses to live that way doesn't mean you should bash them. It doesn't mean that you get to tell them to suck your dick and everything and then have it be okay. Just because SOME women live like that doesn't mean you categorize the whole gender as that. That'd be like me saying, "Oh have respect for Tech N9ne, then saying "all rap sucks, how could you listen to that kind of music? It's awful." It's a complete contradiction. People just need to stop overrating him. He's an average rapper. Good at times, but average at most.
Vlad said:You got it twisted man, everybody knows that there are hoes. You can't deny that, some chicks are just whores and do anything for money. Pac had the femanist movement up against him and thats why he wrote "wonder why they call you bitch ", if you actually took a few minutes and listened youd understand. He grew up around nothing but females so he has respect for them, but some women just choose a whorish lifestyle and roll with it. That's the women he was refering to.
ThatOneGuy said:Regardless of how he tried to word it, it's still a contradiction. That's like saying I love water but hate H2O. It's all inevitably the same thing. Plus he tried to speak religiously multiple times, but he still lived the thug life and always downgraded women calling them bitches and hoes after he made a song saying we need to respect them. If any other rapper would have done that, it'd be the end of the world, but oh no, not with Pac. He always tried to be inspirational and uplifting then just throw that out the window and come back saying fuck women, suck my dick, yous a bitch, and all of that.
indagame9 said:in a documentary he said that he made those two songs to show 1)strong women like his mom and sister and 2)women that make themselves like people. the example he gave was he walked past a girl in the club and she looked at him and didn't say anything but then someone told her that was tupac and then she was interested in him i'm sure about the first one the second one i can't quite remember the way he worded but along those lines
ThatOneGuy said:Pac himself was associated with the Pirus (Bloods) gang, rival of the Crips, and I know not everyone will like a rapper, but I'm just saying he wasn't really anything to brag about. Here's how he contradicted himself: In his song, "Keep Your Head Up," his lyrics are actually nice "I wonder why we take from our women/why we rape our women, do we hate our women?/I think it’s time to kill for our women/time to heal our women, be real to our women." But on his same exact album only a couple of tracks later on a song titled, "I Get Around," he says, "Back to get wreck/all respect to those who break they neck/To keep they hos in check/’Cuz, hos, they sweat a brotha majorly and I don’t know why, your girl keeps pagin me." If that's not a contradiction, then I don't know what is.
Ice Cold said:I dont see how he contradicted himself but whatever. I think that it was a crip that did it but not for something gang related. Not everybody is going to like a rapper.
ThatOneGuy said:I was around, but I just never understood why he was so big, I think people overreacted to him. Yeah he rapped about real life situations, but his raps were never really that good. Plus he completely contradicting himself in a lot of songs. Plus, wasn't his death gang related? It'd almost be like Larry Hoover rapping about global warming and the government, then be shot and killed and have everyone act like he was such an inspiration. People often think my tone on this is anger, but it's really not. I give him props that he had such a successful life, but it's his fan base that I don't really understand and/or agree with.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by MrEst. on -
Agreed ,and for the hundredth fuckin time , Tech is a better rapper but Tupac is the most important person in the rap game.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by quinn gardna on -
tech is the best now,., but pac was and will forever be the best ever,, anyone who dont say pac is fuckin stupid and should just stop listenin to hip hop
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Permalink Reply by ThatOneGuy on
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It won't turn into an argument. We're just debating. I'm not gunna get mad at what you have to say, but we can express, share, and exchange views without blowing it out of proportion can't we?:p But he never really says or even hints that those lyrics are about a certain person, but even if they are about whores in general or specific people, shouldn't he just be the bigger person and not bash them and just leave them alone? That's what I would expect after he wrote the song "Keep Your Head Up."
indagame9 said:as the listener you have to know who that artist is as a person to understand who he's talking about, for example even after i first heard of tech i took me about a month(after i watched a bunch of interviews) to understand songs like red nose(which is my favorite song now) and who talks about in certain songs.. basically what vlad about the certain women. plus he was sued by a women for sexual assault and you don't really know what happened so he could just be expressing his anger at women like that. also bitch can refer to a guy.i don't wanna keep doing this cuz i don't want it to turn into an argument so unless you have a question this the last thing i'm going to write.
ThatOneGuy said:I do understand. Yeah some women do live a whorish life style, but his lyrics in some songs tell women to do a lot of shit. Just because a girl chooses to live that way doesn't mean you should bash them. It doesn't mean that you get to tell them to suck your dick and everything and then have it be okay. Just because SOME women live like that doesn't mean you categorize the whole gender as that. That'd be like me saying, "Oh have respect for Tech N9ne, then saying "all rap sucks, how could you listen to that kind of music? It's awful." It's a complete contradiction. People just need to stop overrating him. He's an average rapper. Good at times, but average at most.
Vlad said:You got it twisted man, everybody knows that there are hoes. You can't deny that, some chicks are just whores and do anything for money. Pac had the femanist movement up against him and thats why he wrote "wonder why they call you bitch ", if you actually took a few minutes and listened youd understand. He grew up around nothing but females so he has respect for them, but some women just choose a whorish lifestyle and roll with it. That's the women he was refering to.
ThatOneGuy said:Regardless of how he tried to word it, it's still a contradiction. That's like saying I love water but hate H2O. It's all inevitably the same thing. Plus he tried to speak religiously multiple times, but he still lived the thug life and always downgraded women calling them bitches and hoes after he made a song saying we need to respect them. If any other rapper would have done that, it'd be the end of the world, but oh no, not with Pac. He always tried to be inspirational and uplifting then just throw that out the window and come back saying fuck women, suck my dick, yous a bitch, and all of that.
indagame9 said:in a documentary he said that he made those two songs to show 1)strong women like his mom and sister and 2)women that make themselves like people. the example he gave was he walked past a girl in the club and she looked at him and didn't say anything but then someone told her that was tupac and then she was interested in him i'm sure about the first one the second one i can't quite remember the way he worded but along those lines
ThatOneGuy said:Pac himself was associated with the Pirus (Bloods) gang, rival of the Crips, and I know not everyone will like a rapper, but I'm just saying he wasn't really anything to brag about. Here's how he contradicted himself: In his song, "Keep Your Head Up," his lyrics are actually nice "I wonder why we take from our women/why we rape our women, do we hate our women?/I think it’s time to kill for our women/time to heal our women, be real to our women." But on his same exact album only a couple of tracks later on a song titled, "I Get Around," he says, "Back to get wreck/all respect to those who break they neck/To keep they hos in check/’Cuz, hos, they sweat a brotha majorly and I don’t know why, your girl keeps pagin me." If that's not a contradiction, then I don't know what is.
Ice Cold said:I dont see how he contradicted himself but whatever. I think that it was a crip that did it but not for something gang related. Not everybody is going to like a rapper.
ThatOneGuy said:I was around, but I just never understood why he was so big, I think people overreacted to him. Yeah he rapped about real life situations, but his raps were never really that good. Plus he completely contradicting himself in a lot of songs. Plus, wasn't his death gang related? It'd almost be like Larry Hoover rapping about global warming and the government, then be shot and killed and have everyone act like he was such an inspiration. People often think my tone on this is anger, but it's really not. I give him props that he had such a successful life, but it's his fan base that I don't really understand and/or agree with.
Ice Cold said:It was the impact he had on hip-hop and the culture. Brenda has a baby, Lord Knows, So Many Tears, Dear Mama. He addressed real life situations and brought them to the the publics attention. Were there people who wrote better. Sure. But nobody can touch how he touched the people and the community. If you werent around when he was, you probably wont get it. You can look back at Hit em Up or the Biggie shit and think he was just some thug rapper but you cant. You cant appreciate someone if you werent there to experience it. So, IMO, if you werent around for Pac, your opinions are slighted. Its like a 20 year old comparing the Korean War to the one in Afghanistan. They would be ignorant to the feelings, emotions, and imoact of one side of the argument.
ThatOneGuy said:Why is he the best rapper to ever live? What was so great about him?
SinisterN9ne said:Pac wins hands down, Tech would even admit it. If you watch documentaries on Pac, the guy was so deep and creative and best rapper to ever live. For everyone say Tech...Get real.
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Permalink Reply by Katastrofik303 on -
I think its a tie......they both dope,theyre both creative,and they both brought hip hop to a new level!!!Even Tech N9ne says,"Pac would of banged this!" in "Its Alive".
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