2Pac hologram performance *AMAZING*

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on April 17, 2012 at 9:43am

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by Blizzum on April 17, 2012 at 9:58am

no

Magyk said:

Watching a 2nd time, without the "wow" factor of it, you can see how off it is. They missed the tats on his chest, can't tell with the arms. It moves kind of like Pac, but I've seen a lot of footage of him performing and it's clear to see the difference. Plus, is he crip walking at 3:43? For real?

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on April 17, 2012 at 10:23am

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by The Crazy Englishman! on April 17, 2012 at 11:31am

Haha its all good man, I dont really trust people that always agree anyway. The beef itself doesn't bother me too much, thats just an added point. I dont know exactly how much the two were in beef, but it pissed me off that one of the first things the hologram said was 'whatup dre'. Thats gonna go down in history, not as a major point, but its been recorded. I see it as, if pac wouldnt of said it when he was alive, its no ones place to make him say it now hes dead. I agree that it must have been an immense feeling to be there, and if i was there, id probaly have got caught up in the hype as well until i got time to reflect on it. Its not the fact that hes not a hip hop head, its the fact that its a further abuse of a legend. The reason it happened wasnt about Pac, it was about the wow factor of having tupac, one of the biggest people hip hop fans wish hadnt left too early, back on stage and they were the ones to do it. I dont really like impersonators, not on the level of this, but just cause normally they're tacky and exagerated, but its just a guy in a suit pretending to be someone. This, however, is catching headlines like 'Tupac ressurected', as if its an honest portrayal of the guy even though its been built from scratch, not a holographic representation of something he actually did. Its been made as if its tupac on the stage as he would be now, not counting physical appearance. The way i see it, it isnt a tribute, its more of a sideshow. Its taken centre stage now, because of how mindblowing it is, i wont deny the holographs insane technology and shit. Way i see it is, if you cant get tupac on stage, then dont, because its not him doing that shit, its a script, and with a script, comes twisted words and false actions. I may be gettin too mad about it but i would prefer to send the message that you cant fuck with a dead guys life, legacy and impression early on in the hope that they dont take it further, than wait till that day to speak up. Its not tupac if they're makin him say things he never said and do things he never did, if you do that, the hologram is nothing but a holographic lie tied to strings with greedy motherfuckers who forgot who pac was, and what he meant to them, and to music. What theyve done with this shit, is portray exactly how the people runnin "Hip Hop" would like their artists to be, puppets on strings that cant refuse their orders. How long till theyve got a tupac hologram on stage with Justin Bieber. Tell me that wouldn't happen? Artists alive today that shouldnt work with the cunt, are, purely out of 'good business and profit' not respect for his 'talent', if people can pull those strings on someone with free will, how long till they do it with something they just need to press 'on' to make em dance.

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on April 17, 2012 at 6:06pm

Lol yeah I can agree as far as it being wrong if they use it to make Pac do something he wouldn't do if he was alive, like performing with Bieber, that would be an insult for sure lol. I can't imagine them using it too much as I say it would cost them way too much. But yeah as for the "what up Dre" I don't know how exactly they did it, but I'm sure they were limited to the usable audio they had. Eh I don't know man I'm honestly not bothered by it at all, but I can see how some people could be. 

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Haha its all good man, I dont really trust people that always agree anyway. The beef itself doesn't bother me too much, thats just an added point. I dont know exactly how much the two were in beef, but it pissed me off that one of the first things the hologram said was 'whatup dre'. Thats gonna go down in history, not as a major point, but its been recorded. I see it as, if pac wouldnt of said it when he was alive, its no ones place to make him say it now hes dead. I agree that it must have been an immense feeling to be there, and if i was there, id probaly have got caught up in the hype as well until i got time to reflect on it. Its not the fact that hes not a hip hop head, its the fact that its a further abuse of a legend. The reason it happened wasnt about Pac, it was about the wow factor of having tupac, one of the biggest people hip hop fans wish hadnt left too early, back on stage and they were the ones to do it. I dont really like impersonators, not on the level of this, but just cause normally they're tacky and exagerated, but its just a guy in a suit pretending to be someone. This, however, is catching headlines like 'Tupac ressurected', as if its an honest portrayal of the guy even though its been built from scratch, not a holographic representation of something he actually did. Its been made as if its tupac on the stage as he would be now, not counting physical appearance. The way i see it, it isnt a tribute, its more of a sideshow. Its taken centre stage now, because of how mindblowing it is, i wont deny the holographs insane technology and shit. Way i see it is, if you cant get tupac on stage, then dont, because its not him doing that shit, its a script, and with a script, comes twisted words and false actions. I may be gettin too mad about it but i would prefer to send the message that you cant fuck with a dead guys life, legacy and impression early on in the hope that they dont take it further, than wait till that day to speak up. Its not tupac if they're makin him say things he never said and do things he never did, if you do that, the hologram is nothing but a holographic lie tied to strings with greedy motherfuckers who forgot who pac was, and what he meant to them, and to music. What theyve done with this shit, is portray exactly how the people runnin "Hip Hop" would like their artists to be, puppets on strings that cant refuse their orders. How long till theyve got a tupac hologram on stage with Justin Bieber. Tell me that wouldn't happen? Artists alive today that shouldnt work with the cunt, are, purely out of 'good business and profit' not respect for his 'talent', if people can pull those strings on someone with free will, how long till they do it with something they just need to press 'on' to make em dance.

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by RevoltingAries on April 17, 2012 at 6:16pm

Lol it would seem like it would be expensive but it really isn't. It only took between 100,000 to 400,000 dollars to put this all together. That was just to get it all set up, I would think after getting it all ready for tour you'd only need to pay to maintain the technology which would be a lot less expensive. Now you've gotta think about this realistically here, with all the young hipster hip hop kids out today you know a Tupac tour even if it is a digital Tupac, it's gonna sell out and make bank cause all of them are gonna jump at the chance to see Pac in concert alive or not, and not just them even old school fans who were alive when Pac was are gonna come running for a chance to see something even remotely similar to Pac performing again. The rock band U2's production tour costs is about 750,000 a day! U2 has the biggest stage show out right now and it's costs a pretty penny and they still make bank. This Pac tour won't cost nearly as much as that and will make just as much if not MORE money cause sadly the amount of stupid fanboys out there who would pay money to see they're dead hero is ridiculous, it's just the world we live in. I personally just accept the fact that I was too young to see Pac perform when he was still around and that I will never see him perform, now if it was a one time tribute to Pac I'd go see this digital recreation, but knowing their is gonna be a tour and that people are gonna use it to make money I wouldn't allow myself to be a part of that cause simply I have respect for Pac and the legacy he built for himself. But the mainstream isn't gonna care that Pac's image is getting used to make money, all they care about is seeing they're dead idol perform again. So look at it from that perspective, Dre wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't gonna make lots of money. 

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by ֆӄʐ ♔ on April 17, 2012 at 6:57pm

Comparing U2's tour income to a rap tour income  

lol they make hundreds of millions per tour. 

Geoff Bigelow said:

Lol it would seem like it would be expensive but it really isn't. It only took between 100,000 to 400,000 dollars to put this all together. That was just to get it all set up, I would think after getting it all ready for tour you'd only need to pay to maintain the technology which would be a lot less expensive. Now you've gotta think about this realistically here, with all the young hipster hip hop kids out today you know a Tupac tour even if it is a digital Tupac, it's gonna sell out and make bank cause all of them are gonna jump at the chance to see Pac in concert alive or not, and not just them even old school fans who were alive when Pac was are gonna come running for a chance to see something even remotely similar to Pac performing again. The rock band U2's production tour costs is about 750,000 a day! U2 has the biggest stage show out right now and it's costs a pretty penny and they still make bank. This Pac tour won't cost nearly as much as that and will make just as much if not MORE money cause sadly the amount of stupid fanboys out there who would pay money to see they're dead hero is ridiculous, it's just the world we live in. I personally just accept the fact that I was too young to see Pac perform when he was still around and that I will never see him perform, now if it was a one time tribute to Pac I'd go see this digital recreation, but knowing their is gonna be a tour and that people are gonna use it to make money I wouldn't allow myself to be a part of that cause simply I have respect for Pac and the legacy he built for himself. But the mainstream isn't gonna care that Pac's image is getting used to make money, all they care about is seeing they're dead idol perform again. So look at it from that perspective, Dre wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't gonna make lots of money. 

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by RevoltingAries on April 17, 2012 at 8:56pm

Lol I might be stretching it out a bit by comparing to U2, but this is Tupac we are talking about, I mean thousands of people are still so into Tupac that they believe he faked his own death I mean that's dedication! lol I think a lot of people will show up to this so I wouldn't be surprised if this makes a lot of money for a hip hop tour. Either way at the end of the day someone like Dre doesn't create a fictional version of a former top selling rapper and put him on tour for any other reason then money. In my opinion Dre is doing everything he can to stay relevant because he knows that on his own he is nothing. He has always had someone else there to make him look good and make him money. Snoop, Tupac, Eminem, and now it's looking to be Kendrick Lamar. Dre is a business man not a rapper. Always has been and this bringing back Tupac thing is just another money making vision for him. I know people are saying that we don't know whether Tupac would of approved of this since he's dead but are you kidding me? Tupac didn't like Dre when he died. And even if he did why would anyone ever let someone else use the image and music you spent years building to make money off of it? It's just disrespectful to assume a dead person would be okay with you using they're image. Just leave it alone. I mean a couple times as a tribute fine, but a whole tour go fuck yourself Dre. lol Anyway I'm done ranting, it's not like my voice is gonna change shit. haha
Siikez said:

Comparing U2's tour income to a rap tour income  

lol they make hundreds of millions per tour. 

Geoff Bigelow said:

Lol it would seem like it would be expensive but it really isn't. It only took between 100,000 to 400,000 dollars to put this all together. That was just to get it all set up, I would think after getting it all ready for tour you'd only need to pay to maintain the technology which would be a lot less expensive. Now you've gotta think about this realistically here, with all the young hipster hip hop kids out today you know a Tupac tour even if it is a digital Tupac, it's gonna sell out and make bank cause all of them are gonna jump at the chance to see Pac in concert alive or not, and not just them even old school fans who were alive when Pac was are gonna come running for a chance to see something even remotely similar to Pac performing again. The rock band U2's production tour costs is about 750,000 a day! U2 has the biggest stage show out right now and it's costs a pretty penny and they still make bank. This Pac tour won't cost nearly as much as that and will make just as much if not MORE money cause sadly the amount of stupid fanboys out there who would pay money to see they're dead hero is ridiculous, it's just the world we live in. I personally just accept the fact that I was too young to see Pac perform when he was still around and that I will never see him perform, now if it was a one time tribute to Pac I'd go see this digital recreation, but knowing their is gonna be a tour and that people are gonna use it to make money I wouldn't allow myself to be a part of that cause simply I have respect for Pac and the legacy he built for himself. But the mainstream isn't gonna care that Pac's image is getting used to make money, all they care about is seeing they're dead idol perform again. So look at it from that perspective, Dre wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't gonna make lots of money. 

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by Bloodstepp - Bass & Bubblegum on April 17, 2012 at 11:09pm

Roger Waters is bigger 

Geoff Bigelow said:

Lol it would seem like it would be expensive but it really isn't. It only took between 100,000 to 400,000 dollars to put this all together. That was just to get it all set up, I would think after getting it all ready for tour you'd only need to pay to maintain the technology which would be a lot less expensive. Now you've gotta think about this realistically here, with all the young hipster hip hop kids out today you know a Tupac tour even if it is a digital Tupac, it's gonna sell out and make bank cause all of them are gonna jump at the chance to see Pac in concert alive or not, and not just them even old school fans who were alive when Pac was are gonna come running for a chance to see something even remotely similar to Pac performing again. The rock band U2's production tour costs is about 750,000 a day! U2 has the biggest stage show out right now and it's costs a pretty penny and they still make bank. This Pac tour won't cost nearly as much as that and will make just as much if not MORE money cause sadly the amount of stupid fanboys out there who would pay money to see they're dead hero is ridiculous, it's just the world we live in. I personally just accept the fact that I was too young to see Pac perform when he was still around and that I will never see him perform, now if it was a one time tribute to Pac I'd go see this digital recreation, but knowing their is gonna be a tour and that people are gonna use it to make money I wouldn't allow myself to be a part of that cause simply I have respect for Pac and the legacy he built for himself. But the mainstream isn't gonna care that Pac's image is getting used to make money, all they care about is seeing they're dead idol perform again. So look at it from that perspective, Dre wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't gonna make lots of money. 

Siikez said:

This doesn't happen often my friend but I completely disagree lol. I don't think any listeners/viewers should be offended or outraged by something that never involved them directly, when people get pissy about stuff like this it makes me think they just want to be considered "in the loop" in which the beef encompassed. But it was years ago, if he was alive now, the beef would have been squashed alooong time ago. And Imagine how that would have felt for Snoop, the people at the concert, and the others that performed. Would have been an epic feeling. And I don't see the harm in it being James Cameron, he has the technology to do so and the people wanted it, so it happened. I don't think James Cameron needs to be a hip hop head to contribute lol it's not like they could have got the Technology elsewhere. Do you feel the same way about the Elvis lookalikes or the MJ lookalikes putting on concerts and prancing around? I don't see the harm in it really, but I don't know some people are more iffy about that sort of thing. It's a tribute in my eyes, an expensive one lol and that's all. They'll never make a killer profit from this, the shit prolly costs more than the show brought in lol.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

It was at least one random rapper though, the one that organised it, dre, Pac wasnt on the best terms with when he died. I dont care whether that beef would have been squashed but it wasnt, Pac died not liking dre, so his legacy should be kept that way. At the end of the day, Dre and anyone else involved, now have a walking, talking and dancing Tupac to prance about on stage whenever they like, doing whatever they want, and Tupac has no say in it at all. They dont have to pay him, they dont have to feed him, clothe him, fuckall. Just turn on the projector and BOOM they're makin money off Pac. Its an abuse of tupac, his music and his legacy. Also, Digital domain is the company that created the visuals, owned by James Cameron, Stan Winston and Scott Ross. James Cameron's involvement was probably more, "Look at me and what i can do" using Tupacs, and hip hops, fan base to kick start it, than it was anything to do with Pac.

Alex M said:

Yea man good point. I agree about it hyping the festival for the future. Personally I never heard of Coachella until now. The place already gets packed. Like you said prices will probably go up for tickets next year after this. I think it was a great tribute. Since it was with Snoop and Dre, 2 rappers he was close too when he was alive, then I have no problem with it. If it was some random rappers that had no relationship with 2pac then it would be a huge stunt. I hope festivals don't start this hologram trend now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Biggie and Eazy E performing as holograms in the future. It's touching and unique once and that's it.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

I don't think they used it to hype the show, they used it for the hype the show will now get. I don't think they made a huge profit off the performance, but I think this was used to find a lane to make money in the future. I personally just don't like the idea of a dead guys body being puppeteered on a stage, fair enough i have no idea how pac would feel about it, but that fact should be more reason to not do it. I just think you're given a life to live and whatever impression you make while breathing is your impression, other people shouldn't be adding to it after your death, its not really their place. People are acting like tupacs done another show, but in reality, someones dressed a lightshow up as pac, which, while an amazing use of technology, its fucked up. I guess I just like term, rest for the dead.

Alex M said:

I completely disagree with you. This was about none of that. You think they used this to hype the show? It was speculated that they were going to have Pac performing as a hologram. No one actually knew it was going to happen. You think they made a huge profit from that performance. It probably cost a ton of money to put that together. They got all the money from Dre, Snoop, Kendrick Lamar, 50 cent, and Eminem performing. While I'm typing I'll add out of no where that Eminem has lost his flow and delivery. It was shocking how terrible he sounded.

The Crazy Englishman! said:

Wont try an chat shit, the hologram itself is fuckin sick, its crazy what technology can do today, but this just shows the music industrys true colours. Theyve finally got an artist they can permanantly attatch strings to an make em dance. It aint about pac, its about the hype, the trend and the money. He already got robbed of his money while he was alive, and motherfuckers are still in his pockets now hes dead.

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Permalink Reply by DJ605 on April 18, 2012 at 12:17am

https://www.facebook.com/soulcrate

These guys are from South Dakota, they opened up for Yelawolf a couple weeks ago..and they posted on their facebook that their next two shows in SD will have the 2Pac hologram as one of the opening acts. I don't know if they are joking or serious..but if they are serious, I'll be seeing it in a week or so because they'll be in my town.

Alex M said:

Looks like we may have a tour coming.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1683241/tupac-hologram-tour.jhtml?...

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Permalink Reply by Magyk on April 18, 2012 at 5:18am

How long before a hologram Biggie is on stage with Pac? It's complete bullshit.

I'm sure Afeni Shakur would have to sign off on this shit, so at least she's getting a cut. Em needs to talk some sense into Dre.

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Permalink Reply by ₡₱♛ on April 18, 2012 at 5:22am

She did sign off on it, and loved how it turned out.. Dre asked her beforehand. And to thank her for letting them do it, Dre made a donation to Tupac's charity.

Magyk said:

How long before a hologram Biggie is on stage with Pac? It's complete bullshit.

I'm sure Afeni Shakur would have to sign off on this shit, so at least she's getting a cut. Em needs to talk some sense into Dre.

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